Both are by far my 2 favorite reels. I love my Daiwa vinteo's and tierras for bass and even for top water Stripers at Lake Cumberland. Never had any issues with them. I love my Garcia 6500 C3's for river cat fishing and Striper fishing with live bait or trolling. I have never had a problem with either of these reels. I also use small size Daiwa spinning reels for crappie and catching bait fish. They are a lot better than the Shimonoe's that I used to use years back. You have to pay for good equipment to have good equipment. That's my story anyway.