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    just one mans thoughts about the vaxer debate

    Just one mans opinion.
    The Covid “pandemic” although a nasty virus is not the world ender that people have been convinced that it is.
    Yes I agree it’s a very nasty virus that has taken allot of peoples lives around the world even some I knew but its not the great killer its made out to be, its been turned into a world/ US economy killer. The politicians ( both sides) are using it as a tool to further divide out country. If you step back and look at it there is always something one side is doing that is destroying our country according to the other side of the isle to pit us against each other, since the BLM movement has petered out we now have the vaccinated and unvaccinated divide. We have been thru the 1%er hate ect , white privilege ……….. We seem to need to keep stoking the class warfare narrative.
    I’m not vaccinated but several members of my family are and I am by no means an anti-vaxcer. But reading all the conflicting data as to the need I prefer not to put any additional chemicals in my body. If you are wondering I don’t get flu shots either as I’m pretty fortunate I don’t get sick very often, maybe every 3 or 4 yrs. I’ll get something also I’m in my early sixty's.
    Just some thoughts
    1st In the US it has a survivability rate of 98.4% that is according to the latest info coming out of John Hopkins , the data uses actual confirmed cases not the what I assume are millions of undocumented cases. I for one have had it as has almost all members of my family including my 85 yr. old mother. We all had mild symptoms other than mild fatigue and one member had short term loss of smell. So I would have to assume that the survival rate is way more than 98.4% due to the fact that not everyone runs to the doctor for mild symptoms, I was randomly tested at work that’s how I found out about me.
    2nd I wear my masks where required but only then. I crack up when I see a person driving down the freeway alone in a car with a mask on. I keep hearing that the science is always changing so they are updating the requirements. But I distinctly remember reading and hearing that normal masks did little to prevent the spread and the virus was to small for anything less than an N95 mask to filter out.
    3rd It seems from what I've found searching the web, not reading left or right sites who are always trying to spin/interpret data for me, the vaccine works fairly well protecting those at risk from the affects of the virus but is waning with the Delta variant. As the virus mutates as all viruses do it will be have taken yearly. It will become the new “ flu vaccine” which flue vaccines usually are aimed at the last 3-4 variants of the flu.
    On top of that it also according to some not all of the studies it helps reduce the transmission rates more than the unvaccinated somewhat but doesn’t eliminate it and with the Delta it effectiveness is even less in that regard and now there is another variant starting to upstage the Delta so its off to the drawing board with a new vaccine.
    So the vaccine will help some but will always be behind as predicting mutations I would assume is almost impossible. So I for one will remain unvaccinated., I’m sure there are those on these boards who will call me stupid and uneducated, I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed but I have family members who are in the Medical field and another who are Medical research chemists who are just disgusted about all of the fanfare given the need for taking the vaccine, 75% are not vaccinated either and they have more letters after names than in them so they are far from uneducated.
    We can each argue that the glass is either half full or half empty and both be correct so I’ll leave it at that. I’m a personnel choice kind of guy with a small anti authoritarian complex.
    This virus is only important because it can effect those with money and can make money for others.
    Why do I say this, its simple I have worked more during the “pandemic” than any time before. My employer had a waver to allow me to travel across state lines and work as we are essential to the nation, which I say bull s&^t, its because my company is way up the fortune 500 list s richest companies. The byproducts of my efforts do nothing to support the country on a short term bases, so I lived in hotels and ate out every day for the better part of the first 2 yrs. of the pandemic putting me at risk, although I've never thought about it being dangerous. Heck I wonder if I’m a hero to like the truck drivers and grocery clerks that also stayed open ��
    If it truly wasn’t about the elite and the rich then why aren’t we dealing with something that kills more people in the US than Covid has or ever will and is 100% preventable, what is it you might ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kstonich View Post
    Just one mans opinion.
    The Covid “pandemic” although a nasty virus is not the world ender that people have been convinced that it is.
    Yes I agree it’s a very nasty virus that has taken allot of peoples lives around the world even some I knew but its not the great killer its made out to be, its been turned into a world/ US economy killer. The politicians ( both sides) are using it as a tool to further divide out country. If you step back and look at it there is always something one side is doing that is destroying our country according to the other side of the isle to pit us against each other, since the BLM movement has petered out we now have the vaccinated and unvaccinated divide. We have been thru the 1%er hate ect , white privilege ……….. We seem to need to keep stoking the class warfare narrative.
    I’m not vaccinated but several members of my family are and I am by no means an anti-vaxcer. But reading all the conflicting data as to the need I prefer not to put any additional chemicals in my body. If you are wondering I don’t get flu shots either as I’m pretty fortunate I don’t get sick very often, maybe every 3 or 4 yrs. I’ll get something also I’m in my early sixty's.
    Just some thoughts
    1st In the US it has a survivability rate of 98.4% that is according to the latest info coming out of John Hopkins , the data uses actual confirmed cases not the what I assume are millions of undocumented cases. I for one have had it as has almost all members of my family including my 85 yr. old mother. We all had mild symptoms other than mild fatigue and one member had short term loss of smell. So I would have to assume that the survival rate is way more than 98.4% due to the fact that not everyone runs to the doctor for mild symptoms, I was randomly tested at work that’s how I found out about me.
    2nd I wear my masks where required but only then. I crack up when I see a person driving down the freeway alone in a car with a mask on. I keep hearing that the science is always changing so they are updating the requirements. But I distinctly remember reading and hearing that normal masks did little to prevent the spread and the virus was to small for anything less than an N95 mask to filter out.
    3rd It seems from what I've found searching the web, not reading left or right sites who are always trying to spin/interpret data for me, the vaccine works fairly well protecting those at risk from the affects of the virus but is waning with the Delta variant. As the virus mutates as all viruses do it will be have taken yearly. It will become the new “ flu vaccine” which flue vaccines usually are aimed at the last 3-4 variants of the flu.
    On top of that it also according to some not all of the studies it helps reduce the transmission rates more than the unvaccinated somewhat but doesn’t eliminate it and with the Delta it effectiveness is even less in that regard and now there is another variant starting to upstage the Delta so its off to the drawing board with a new vaccine.
    So the vaccine will help some but will always be behind as predicting mutations I would assume is almost impossible. So I for one will remain unvaccinated., I’m sure there are those on these boards who will call me stupid and uneducated, I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed but I have family members who are in the Medical field and another who are Medical research chemists who are just disgusted about all of the fanfare given the need for taking the vaccine, 75% are not vaccinated either and they have more letters after names than in them so they are far from uneducated.
    We can each argue that the glass is either half full or half empty and both be correct so I’ll leave it at that. I’m a personnel choice kind of guy with a small anti authoritarian complex.
    This virus is only important because it can effect those with money and can make money for others.
    Why do I say this, its simple I have worked more during the “pandemic” than any time before. My employer had a waver to allow me to travel across state lines and work as we are essential to the nation, which I say bull s&^t, its because my company is way up the fortune 500 list s richest companies. The byproducts of my efforts do nothing to support the country on a short term bases, so I lived in hotels and ate out every day for the better part of the first 2 yrs. of the pandemic putting me at risk, although I've never thought about it being dangerous. Heck I wonder if I’m a hero to like the truck drivers and grocery clerks that also stayed open 😊
    If it truly wasn’t about the elite and the rich then why aren’t we dealing with something that kills more people in the US than Covid has or ever will and is 100% preventable, what is it you might ask?
    Covid is still a BIG FREAKING deal because politicians need it to be............

    Quite simple.

    Democrats are going to get demolished in 2022............unless COVID is still a thing.

    TRUMP who is a disgusting piece of GARBAGE, will be re elected in 2024.......unless COVID is still a thing.

    Democrats have absolutely nothing to run on, except that TRUMP is a piece of **** (which he is), and covid is gonna kill the world..........which it will not.

    Politics and polarization is ruining America.

    BTW..........WE are 50 years away from collapse, if you follow any previous republic........I do.....

    Later,

    Geo

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    707k Americans dead, most unvaccinated.

    So we note politicians benefitting. Disgusting!

    So we note the vaccine companies benefitting, but forget to note the milllions now vaccinated benefitting from a safer and freer life.

    And we take no note of the other spinoff financial benefits to companies the sell caskets, sell funeral ceremonies, sell cemetery plots and headstones. What about estate settlement lawyers that get a percent of the estate.

    How disgusted would you be if the owner a funeral home televised a Tv ad that said “ Get a 10% funeral and casket discount when you refuse to get vaccinated”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    Covid is still a BIG FREAKING deal because politicians need it to be............

    Quite simple.

    Democrats are going to get demolished in 2022............unless COVID is still a thing.

    TRUMP who is a disgusting piece of GARBAGE, will be re elected in 2024.......unless COVID is still a thing.

    Democrats have absolutely nothing to run on, except that TRUMP is a piece of **** (which he is), and covid is gonna kill the world..........which it will not.

    Politics and polarization is ruining America.

    BTW..........WE are 50 years away from collapse, if you follow any previous republic........I do.....

    Later,

    Geo
    ****. Trump is the greatest President this country has ever had, his votes prove it. You can sleep it over with that coward moveon if you want but it is true. Your weak kneed lawn chair party is finished,gone. The middle are just spineless rats that could have delivered the worst joke this country has ever witnessed in office.

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    Trump is a big loser.

    [QUOTE=TimE;581788]****.

    Let's see. Trump lost the White House, Trump lost the US Senate, Trump loss the House and was impeached twice.
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    [QUOTE=Moveon;581799]
    Quote Originally Posted by TimE View Post
    ****.
    Trump was impeached twice.
    Let’s see: You got any official document noting the date Mr Trump was removed for impeachment, or were those proceedings both times unsuccessful because the majority voted them to be unfounded.

    If you want to speak out in support of a process you also need accept the results the process delivered. Unless of course you believe the Dems that chaired the proceedings screwed up. Is that what we are alledging here? That Democrats don’t know how to run and unbiased judicial hearing?

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    It was a matter of votes.

    [QUOTE=ZoraSpook;581801]
    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post

    Let’s see: You got any official document noting the date Mr Trump was removed for impeachment, or were those proceedings both times unsuccessful because the majority voted them to be unfounded.

    If you want to speak out in support of a process you also need accept the results the process delivered. Unless of course you believe the Dems that chaired the proceedings screwed up. Is that what we are alledging here? That Democrats don’t know how to run and unbiased judicial hearing?
    TRUMP GOT IMPEACHED TWICE.

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    [QUOTE=Moveon;581802]
    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post

    TRUMP GOT IMPEACHED TWICE.
    And the document you were looking for? You know, the one that would remove him from office, or preclude him from office. Now, to help ya out it would like the one written to Nixon. Found that yet? 😂😂😂😂😂

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    81,000,000 votes were counted and they removed Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post

    And the document you were looking for? You know, the one that would remove him from office, or preclude him from office. Now, to help ya out it would like the one written to Nixon. Found that yet? 
    Trump got voted out. He is so callused that he refused to concede his loss. No matter he is out, and Biden is sitting in the White House making decisions for our Country. Thank God we got rid of Trump.
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    [QUOTE=Moveon;581807]
    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post

    Trump got voted out. He is so callused that he refused to concede his loss. No matter he is out, and Biden is sitting in the White House making decisions for our Country. Thank God we got rid of Trump.
    Thank you in the interest of clarity we agree he was not re-elected and left office. Accuracy is important in arriving at concensus don’t you agree? So just maybe if our politicians and news networks did the same we could disagree, discuss, and find a way forward based on facts........OMG........how cool.

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    this clip is too long...skip past the electioneering at the beginning and start watching when the doctors are seated.
    i just had a good friend die from covid but he was given the prescribed government treatment at the hospital.
    had another friend recover quickly with the antibody treatment.
    both were in good health, not overweight, non smokers.
    i still don't know what to believe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXX1A662KSI
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragmerc View Post
    this clip is too long...skip past the electioneering at the beginning and start watching when the doctors are seated.
    i just had a good friend die from covid but he was given the prescribed government treatment at the hospital.
    had another friend recover quickly with the antibody treatment.
    both were in good health, not overweight, non smokers.
    i still don't know what to believe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXX1A662KSI
    Happening at such a rate that a normal shot would have been banned months ago. Matter of fact one version has been banned in several places just this week. I don’t care if you ride your flinstone jo mobile with a face diaper on, take any medication you like,heck even choose your own political and religious beliefs. Just keep it to yourself and be da m sure not to bring it to my door!

    I wish we could just argue political viewpoints, you can’t do that with confirmed communist though and absolutely zero sense in trying. Not directly response towards you dragmerc.

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