The Art of Lying

[ZoraSpook]

oh wait...it was Hillary that made him do it

Naw, it was Hillary that TAUGHT him how to do it. I'll give her credit, she went first, Trump is just a copy cat.

[Moveon]

Naw, it was Hillary that TAUGHT him how to do it. I'll give her credit, she went first, Trump is just a copy cat.

Hillary is not the subject matter. Don't know why you keep deflecting to her. Trump and you both try to project your short comings onto other. Wont' work with me

[ZoraSpook]

hillary is not the subject matter. Don't know why you keep deflecting to her. Trump and you both try to project your short comings onto other. Wont' work with me

liberty and justice for all, not the few with the right party affiliations. But you are too biased to realize that.

[GeoFisher]

The Art of Lying

Its possible to make people feel and believe practically anything if presented in the light intended. It’s called “The Art of Lying.” There are books written describing it. In Proverbs, we read one of the seven deadly sins God hates is a lying tongue, and he who breathes lies will perish. Revelation 21:8 says without repentance all liars who knowingly deceive and twist truth will blaze in hell.

All it takes is for someone to believe the lie presented, and with a false validity, it becomes true. In a shameless and systematic way, lies can be carefully built around a few shards of fact. Lies don’t have to be plausible to be effective. The more often a lie is presented, the more it is likely to be believed. To put it simply, liars have no respect for others, and they do not care who they hurt or destroy.

One may classify liars as sociopathic, narcissistic, pathological, compulsive, habitual or “white liars”, but the end result is they all are liars, meant to deceive. Most good liars stay calm, controlled and present themselves as authentic, without conscience and reason. Professional liars are natural performers, experienced, confident, know how to control their emotions, good at deflection and avoiding questioning.

Lying and disinformation have been a force from the beginning of time, and today, it is a powerful political tool. It’s no secret; leaders of today can act to be honest, but lie when distorting the truth. Remember the promises never kept? The one who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived. Deception is a driving force in today’s politics around the world. Lies can reshape reality, such as sinister plots undermining a nation’s sovereignty by the influx of illegal immigrants and by replacing long standing established values and laws.

Today, we see a battle being waged between lies and truth, between good and evil. Stalin and Hitler demonstrated tactical and opportunistic lying on a grand scale. Lies can be used to allow unlimited control on people’s lives. So the battle goes on… “Feed your own propaganda and see that no other feeds them his.” It is well known that false information can influence one’s thinking even after they come to realize the information is false.

Social media is the “perfect storm” for spreading lies; however, TV and radio commentators and journalists also find their place. We as citizens should stay educated to the issues that matter as a nation, including doing our homework and fact checking, researching multiple sources to facilitate a more informed vote.

Should we care if politicians lie? A functional democracy depends upon the truth of basic facts. If truth is realized as unattainable, anything is possible. There must be a mutual trust between the government and the people. However, there are so many people in this nation who do not take the time to seek out the truth and there is a great price being paid for not doing so.

So, between both parties, do you trust their views on important issues such as health care, drug addiction, education, federal deficit, climate change, economic inequality, racism, illegal immigration, terrorism, abortion or military readiness? We as citizens of this nation, no matter what party you may be affiliated, should not accept lying politicians, and the media must start holding them accountable. However, have you noticed people who are brutally honest and take a stand against a lying government can find themselves a social outcast? Wouldn’t it be a breath of fresh air if how politicians dealt with truth would affect voters at the ballot box? Unfortunately, I feel there are some dark days “lying” ahead for America.

Throughout the world, the pot continues to boil with lies and deception. When foreign weapons fall upon our homeland, will we be once again one nation, undivided? As a nation, would we find enough soldiers with the same passion as in wars past? As wicked as our nation has become, will God hear our prayers?

We need a great awaking in this nation as to the possible perils if we do not change. I am an old man who can see the end of the road, but it’s our children’s future that is in question. As people of this nation could we become conquered, enslaved and exiled to another foreign power? It has happened more than once in history.

Remember Solomon’s Israel which became corrupt? How the mighty nation ended up divided between the northern and southern tribes? After a rebellion, the monarchy became divided and was ruled for centuries by evil kings, marked by constant war, treason and murder, culminating in a catastrophic defeat by the nation of Assyria. The Assyrians destroyed all sense of national identity, and carried off the population, dispersing them across its empire as slaves. You can read about it in 1 & 2 Kings in the Old Testament.

The great Roman statesman, lawyer, scholar, and philosopher, Cicero wrote: "The evil was not in bread and circuses, per se, but in the willingness of the people to sell their rights as free men for full bellies and the excitement of games, which would serve to distract them from the other human hungers, which bread and circuses can never appease."

Long Time Bonefish..........very Long time, my friend.

and refreshing post.

[GeoFisher]

You know when Fox was sued and went to court their lawyers claimed that Fox was not a real news agency but instead an entertainment station and no one in their right mind would believe what Fox says on the air. That is how the presented their case to the court. That tells us a lot about Fox.

Fox was started after Ronald Reagan allowed Rupert to become a US Citizen. Rupert is a Brit and not a good one at that. He then got his citizenship card thanks to Ronnie. Ronnie also got rid of the Fairness Doctrine which made all the media tell the truth and not lie. Then Rupert started Fox so that they could begin bending the minds of the GOP followers.

Um............Fox News was created due to the HIT job CNN did on Bush 1. CNN had a perfect model for 24hr news, and they pounded on Bush day and night.. Once Republicans realized they could do the same thing. Fox was born.


"
The Fox News Channel (FNC) is an American basic cable and satellite news television channel that was founded by media mogul Rupert Murdoch in 1996. In 2001 Roger Ailes appointed himself as permanent CEO of this news operation that was created as a Republican-centered alternative to CNN. In January 2002, the ratings of the channel surpassed top-rated CNN to become the No. 1 news cable channel. They fell in March 2002, but since then the network has maintained its No. 1 cable rating (as of 2019) with increasing viewership and international access.[citation needed]

Fox News' dominant status was challenged in the wake of the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol, with CNN taking the No. 1 network place back for a first time since the 2000s, alongside rival MSNBC in second place, with Fox News in third place.[1][2] It has since regained the top spot.
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Later,

Geo

[Moveon]

CNN reported the news without any slants like Fox does. Reagan allowed an British AssHo**, Rupert Murdock, to obtain us citizenship which led to him creating Fox news. Fox news is so slanted and lies about things openly these days after Reagan got rid of the Fairness Doctrine. If Reagan had not gotten rid of the Fairness Doctrine, we would not have Fox or OAN or any of the right-wing lying SOB on TV and Radio.

[ZoraSpook]

CNN reported the news without any slants like Fox does. Reagan allowed an British AssHo**, Rupert Murdock, to obtain us citizenship which led to him creating Fox news. Fox news is so slanted and lies about things openly these days after Reagan got rid of the Fairness Doctrine. If Reagan had not gotten rid of the Fairness Doctrine, we would not have Fox or OAN or any of the right-wing lying SOB on TV and Radio.

They learned if from CNN. But I do agree their is way too much emphasis on sensationalism and not news presentation. Newsnation atleast doesn’t start every show with “ Breaking News” or “ Just in” , or “ News Flash”

[Devils Horse]

sheesh deep state deep state....
would you guys get over the **** deep state ******** already????
I guess the "deep state" forced "trump the greatest liar in history" to steal boxes upon boxes of the highest level intellectual this country has...**** this "deep state" even controlled trump! they are pretty good

If Trump is the greatest liar in history, you've really elevated him to a lofty perch. I don't worship him, or even like him, but I do like his actions as President compared to the pathetic mess we currently have.

The documents he 'stole' are 100% about taking Trump out of the election picture, not justice, not national security, not anything else. Most of the same DOJ/FBI players responsible for the long, expensive, and fruitless Russian collusion investigation are still in play. The result will be the same. Explain how a dawn raid by a swarm of armed FBI agents was necessary, and politics weren't involved. I'll wait.

It's obvious DC badly needs to be cleaned up. When federal agencies favor one party or political ideology over another, there is a problem. Long as politicians of every stripe get stinking rich while in office there is a deep state, swamp, or whatever you want to call it.

If Trump can help clean it up, he can be as big an a-hole, hurt feelings, and lie much as he wants, I don't vote with my emotions.

[Moveon]

Devil Horse said: Thee documents he 'stole' are 100% about taking Trump out of the election picture, not justice, not national security, not anything else.

Your statement is full of BS. These were highly classified Government Documents that Trump Stole from the Government and hid in Mar-A-Largo. And he obstructed the investigation into where these documents went. You must be living under the Fox New ROCK to not know this. Top Secret Sensitive Compartmentalized Information is only opened in a secure room called a SCIF. Mar-A-Largo was not secure by any means. Trumps own attorney said it was accessible by walking up a flight of stairs and removing a padlock off the door. Any good spy from Russia could easily roam around Mar-A-Largo and pick the unsecured lock. This was not a scif. Trump violated at least three laws that relate to stealing Top Secret SCI and other Top Secret and other government owned papers.

You asked about the Search Warrant that was requested by a Trump appointed Director of the FBI and approved by a TRUMP APPOINTED FEDERAL JUDGE. How can you say that GOP people in the US Government that were appointed by Trump are political. They are doing their Job. And this is about TOP-SECRET Documents that if revealed to Russia or China can get people killed. Is that what you want? Do you know that once any President is out of office, they don't have any more executive privilege. If Trump were smart, he would have given the documents back when they asked for them ONE YEAR ago. But no, he kept them and moved them around inside his home in the hope that they would not locate them. What did Trump want to do with these Top-Secret Documents. That's anyone guess. He wanted to sell them to your enemies and make money. But Trump was up to no good and knew that he had no right to take those documents. And he lied when he said that the FBI planted them. I mean come on that is crazy talk. And then he lied again when he said that he had declassified them all. Funny none of them were marked unclassified. No, they were all still marked as classified, Top Secret and Top-Secret SCI. Trump has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar and the cookie monster is going down. This is about breaking the law not politics.

[GeoFisher]

Devil Horse said: Thee documents he 'stole' are 100% about taking Trump out of the election picture, not justice, not national security, not anything else.

Your statement is full of BS. These were highly classified Government Documents that Trump Stole from the Government and hid in Mar-A-Largo. And he obstructed the investigation into where these documents went. You must be living under the Fox New ROCK to not know this. Top Secret Sensitive Compartmentalized Information is only opened in a secure room called a SCIF. Mar-A-Largo was not secure by any means. Trumps own attorney said it was accessible by walking up a flight of stairs and removing a padlock off the door. Any good spy from Russia could easily roam around Mar-A-Largo and pick the unsecured lock. This was not a scif. Trump violated at least three laws that relate to stealing Top Secret SCI and other Top Secret and other government owned papers.

You asked about the Search Warrant that was requested by a Trump appointed Director of the FBI and approved by a TRUMP APPOINTED FEDERAL JUDGE. How can you say that GOP people in the US Government that were appointed by Trump are political. They are doing their Job. And this is about TOP-SECRET Documents that if revealed to Russia or China can get people killed. Is that what you want? Do you know that once any President is out of office, they don't have any more executive privilege. If Trump were smart, he would have given the documents back when they asked for them ONE YEAR ago. But no, he kept them and moved them around inside his home in the hope that they would not locate them. What did Trump want to do with these Top-Secret Documents. That's anyone guess. He wanted to sell them to your enemies and make money. But Trump was up to no good and knew that he had no right to take those documents. And he lied when he said that the FBI planted them. I mean come on that is crazy talk. And then he lied again when he said that he had declassified them all. Funny none of them were marked unclassified. No, they were all still marked as classified, Top Secret and Top-Secret SCI. Trump has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar and the cookie monster is going down. This is about breaking the law not politics.

Hold on oh GOD of ALL GODS of internet Lore.......

1). Have you seen the documents..........you have a c2 or above classified clearance to see them. YOU'RE a fucking BAD ASS.......If not....STFU.

2). You're absolutely sure that you are not falling into the same ******** RUSSIAN collusion trip that all your communist DEMOCRAT friends fell into????....If you're not sure.....STFU.

3). Better Yet , why don't you just leave this site......You have been wrong in every fucking thing you have posted since Obama won in 2008........

I will say it again............Ain't no one going to Jail.........and this is a big ole nothing burger.

Why the **** do you think the IDIOT FBI put all that **** out and photographed it.

You are one ignorant fool if you cannot see you are being played like a cheap ass fiddle.............

Later,

Geo

[ZoraSpook]

Devil Horse said: Thee documents he 'stole' are 100% about taking Trump out of the election picture, not justice, not national security, not anything else.

Your statement is full of BS. These were highly classified Government Documents that Trump Stole from the Government and hid in Mar-A-Largo. And he obstructed the investigation into where these documents went. You must be living under the Fox New ROCK to not know this. Top Secret Sensitive Compartmentalized Information is only opened in a secure room called a SCIF. Mar-A-Largo was not secure by any means. Trumps own attorney said it was accessible by walking up a flight of stairs and removing a padlock off the door. Any good spy from Russia could easily roam around Mar-A-Largo and pick the unsecured lock. This was not a scif. Trump violated at least three laws that relate to stealing Top Secret SCI and other Top Secret and other government owned papers.

You asked about the Search Warrant that was requested by a Trump appointed Director of the FBI and approved by a TRUMP APPOINTED FEDERAL JUDGE. How can you say that GOP people in the US Government that were appointed by Trump are political. They are doing their Job. And this is about TOP-SECRET Documents that if revealed to Russia or China can get people killed. Is that what you want? Do you know that once any President is out of office, they don't have any more executive privilege. If Trump were smart, he would have given the documents back when they asked for them ONE YEAR ago. But no, he kept them and moved them around inside his home in the hope that they would not locate them. What did Trump want to do with these Top-Secret Documents. That's anyone guess. He wanted to sell them to your enemies and make money. But Trump was up to no good and knew that he had no right to take those documents. And he lied when he said that the FBI planted them. I mean come on that is crazy talk. And then he lied again when he said that he had declassified them all. Funny none of them were marked unclassified. No, they were all still marked as classified, Top Secret and Top-Secret SCI. Trump has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar and the cookie monster is going down. This is about breaking the law not politics.

From this above, it appears you have seen and read every document. If not, is this opinion based on facts or impressions?

[Moveon]

From this above, it appears you have seen and read every document. If not, is this opinion based on facts or impressions?

I trust the FBI and you don't. The FBI has gone through all the documents and categorized them. I'll let the attorneys and prosecutors do the talking in a court of law. What you say here doesn't matter? Wait and see.