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    An opinion

    In the cesspool that is Washington DC, our 'leaders' are too busy with money, politics, and power to do right things. The President of the United States recently gave a mumbling speech and asked a congresswoman who was killed in August to speak up. Long as Americans vote with the media and their emotions instead of the actual actions politicians take this is what we'll get.

    Cooperation between the parties for the good of the country is long gone, a moderate of any stripe has no chance for election to any high office. Same with a Libertarian. Dimocrats and Republicans have a stranglehold on America, and all they're truly working on is getting rich, and getting re-elected.

    The country is gravitating toward Socialism, with the media and most people looking to the government to take care of us all. Has been for a long time. Unless we wake up and vote to reign in federal power, things will not get better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devils Horse View Post
    In the cesspool that is Washington DC, our 'leaders' are too busy with money, politics, and power to do right things. The President of the United States recently gave a mumbling speech and asked a congresswoman who was killed in August to speak up. Long as Americans vote with the media and their emotions instead of the actual actions politicians take this is what we'll get.

    Cooperation between the parties for the good of the country is long gone, a moderate of any stripe has no chance for election to any high office. Same with a Libertarian. Dimocrats and Republicans have a stranglehold on America, and all they're truly working on is getting rich, and getting re-elected.

    The country is gravitating toward Socialism, with the media and most people looking to the government to take care of us all. Has been for a long time. Unless we wake up and vote to reign in federal power, things will not get better.
    AGREED

    what's scary is a majority of voters are willing to give up their freedom with the false hope of government taking care of them.
    i understand why politicians want to control everybody, but why is the media willing to support them?
    i think many people have compromised their integrity just to be part of the deep state.
    why would they do that?
    have citizens given up on the American dream of financial independence or are they so insecure they need to be part of a club? that would be a miserable life for me.

    i don't know... i don't understand government loving liberals.
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    So you don't like socialism?

    The country is gravitating toward Socialism, with the media and most people looking to the government to take care of us all.

    So I guess you want to get rid of all this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragmerc View Post
    AGREED

    what's scary is a majority of voters are willing to give up their freedom with the false hope of government taking care of them.
    i understand why politicians want to control everybody, but why is the media willing to support them?
    i think many people have compromised their integrity just to be part of the deep state.
    why would they do that?
    have citizens given up on the American dream of financial independence or are they so insecure they need to be part of a club? that would be a miserable life for me.

    i don't know... i don't understand government loving liberals.
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"

    --Benjamin Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post
    The country is gravitating toward Socialism, with the media and most people looking to the government to take care of us all.

    So I guess you want to get rid of all this:
    Just glancing at your list, yes a good healthy percentage of it should be gone. Quite a bit on there that is local/state which we have a lot more control over, not the fed's responsibility. I don't advocate eliminating the government, just fixing it. It has grown into something it was never intended to be, and thru voters such as yourself it will continue to grow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post
    The country is gravitating toward Socialism, with the media and most people looking to the government to take care of us all.

    So I guess you want to get rid of all this:
    There is a rational difference between socialism, and govt provided social support programs.

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    BF died a long time ago

    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"

    --Benjamin Franklin
    So are you saying you want to give up all those government services I provided? I didn't think so.

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    Not according to some of your GOP friends

    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post
    There is a rational difference between socialism, and govt provided social support programs.
    They can't tell the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devils Horse View Post
    . Quite a bit on there that is local/state which we have a lot more control over, not the fed's responsibility. I don't advocate eliminating the government, just fixing it. .
    I think in some cases the fed stepped in an took over centralized control of programs to insure the states at their level didn't screw them up. Not all states and not a blanket statement, but in some cases the need is for uniformity in implementation as opposed to allowing every state to do the same thing but different ways.

    Just for argument, look at KY, FLA, and TX, and the way they do things and get things done VS CA, OR, WA, and WI, as we as NY states?

    And I do support equality in implementation, as we saw back in the early 1900's with home loans and red zones, etc, the need for a federal standard occurred because of unfair and unequal implementation at state levels.

    Just thoughts.
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    Blaa blaa

    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post
    I think in some cases the fed stepped in an took over centralized control of programs to insure the states at their level didn't screw them up. Not all states and not a blanket statement, but in some cases the need is for uniformity in implementation as opposed to allowing every state to do the same thing but different ways.

    Just for argument, look at KY, FLA, and TX, and the way they do things and get things done VS CA, OR, WA, and WI, as we as NY states?

    And I do support equality in implementation, as we saw back in the early 1900's with home loans and red zones, etc, the need for a federal standard occurred because of unfair and unequal implementation at state levels.

    Just thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post
    I think in some cases the fed stepped in an took over centralized control of programs to insure the states at their level didn't screw them up. Not all states and not a blanket statement, but in some cases the need is for uniformity in implementation as opposed to allowing every state to do the same thing but different ways.

    Just for argument, look at KY, FLA, and TX, and the way they do things and get things done VS CA, OR, WA, and WI, as we as NY states?

    And I do support equality in implementation, as we saw back in the early 1900's with home loans and red zones, etc, the need for a federal standard occurred because of unfair and unequal implementation at state levels.

    Just thoughts.
    Rational and convincing, I get it. However:

    The feds have overstepped their constitutional authority by far IMO, and politicians/federal agencies selectively enforce the law.

    The federal government screws up most things they get involved with badly. If one can figure out ways to do things the most expensive and inefficient way humanly possible, the fed has a job for them.

    There are blaring alarms going off, and it seems no one is listening. The IRS has long since been used as a weapon against political opponents, and the current administration just hired tens of thousands of new agents. The actions (and inactions) of the top federal law enforcement agency, the FBI over the last few years clearly shows its become a political weapon. These are the kinds of things that only happen in places like Venezuela right?

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    Funny how

    Quote Originally Posted by Devils Horse View Post
    Rational and convincing, I get it. However:

    The feds have overstepped their constitutional authority by far IMO, and politicians/federal agencies selectively enforce the law.

    The federal government screws up most things they get involved with badly. If one can figure out ways to do things the most expensive and inefficient way humanly possible, the fed has a job for them.

    There are blaring alarms going off, and it seems no one is listening. The IRS has long since been used as a weapon against political opponents, and the current administration just hired tens of thousands of new agents. The actions (and inactions) of the top federal law enforcement agency, the FBI over the last few years clearly shows its become a political weapon. These are the kinds of things that only happen in places like Venezuela right?
    When the FBI is pointed to democrats the GOP loves them. But when the GOP breaks the law and the FBI goes after them they all hate the FBI.

    If you don't like how the system works them maybe you should move. I hear Mexico is nice this time of the year.

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