[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Dec-26-05 AT 11:02AM (EST)[/font][p]MWS 04-05 Classic Problems/ Rules not enforced???
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Lets Do the Math????
MWS 2005
1200 Competing Teams. 30 percent of these teams go to the 2005 Classic.
1200 x .30= 360 Teams to the 2005 Classic.
1200 teams x $120.00 per team (membership fees 2005) = $144,000.00
360 teams (classic qualifiers) x $120.00 ( additional 2005 classic qualifying fee) = $43,200
$187,200.00 receivables!
This is what Midwest had to operate with last year (2005).
First place paid $46,000. You can bet this was discounted to MWS in the form of sponsorship advertising. Bass Pro Shops / Nitro Tracker Boats. My guess is this cost MWS around $35,000 (deeply discounted boats). Lets assume it was not discounted and assume MWS paid $46,000 for the 2 boats.
Second place paid $10,000
Third place paid $5,000
Lets assume the remaining 33 places paid $1000.00 each. Obviously, some of the places paying more ,but more of the remaining places are paying less than $1000.00 per place. $33,000 was paid out to the remaining 33 teams. 36 Teams were the top 10 percent of the field.
Go ahead and finish this up for me guys?
Sponsoring hotels helped pay for the food, along with the Marshall County Tourism Board.
Alright, so you say the food was paid for by MWS. Lets factor in another $20,000 for food. That would be overkill but do it anyway.
Trophy’s / Id Cards/ scales/ etc. Lets allow another $20,000 for these. Remember some of these can be used year to year/ such as the scales and should not be fully written off over the course of a year. This is overkill as well but go ahead, add it in.
Total Expense $134,000
There is still quite a bit of money ($53,200) not accounted for……………… unless someone can shed some light, I think someone is making a very good living at owning / running this circuit.
Another Hot Topic…PRO’s??????????
2004-2005 Classic Links
http://www.midwestsportsmanin.com/class04.htm
http://www.midwestsportsmanin.com/class05.htm
2004-2005 MWS RULES
1. Qualifying: Tournaments are open to anyone over 18 years of age. If, you are under 18 years of age, you must be accompanied in the boat by someone who is over 18 years of age. This tournament circuit is designed for the amateur tournament fisherman - If you fish the Pro Side of BASS, FLW or are a Professional Guide you cannot compete in the Midwest Sportsman Tournament Fishing Circuits.
2006 MIDWEST SPORTSMAN RULES
1. Participation: Tournaments are open to anyone over 18 years of age. If under 18 years of age you must be accompanied in the boat by someone over 18 years old. Individuals who have fished in a tournament in the last 24 months that required an entry fee of $1000.00 or more are not eligible to fish in any Midwest Sportsman Tournament. If you are a professional guide on the waters that Midwest Sportsman holds its local tournaments on, you are not eligible to fish our circuits on that particular water.
Compare the Rules- The MWS circuit is no longer designed for the amateur fisherman!
Apparently it didn’t matter in the past either, because it doesn’t look like the rules were enforced.
2004 Classic 13th Place
-http://www.midwestsportsmanin.com/class04.htm
2005 Classic 1st Place
-http://www.midwestsportsmanin.com/class05.htm
Is this the same PRO Angler competing in the Amateur MWS Circuit?
http://proxy.espn.go.com/outdoors/ba...d=12401&type=7
When MWS officials were questioned? They answered you couldn’t have fished the pro ranks in the last 2 years. Applying to the 2004-2005 year.
If you look at the website, you will see that this angler’s last BASS PRO tournament was Sept. 14th, 2002. MWS refuses to answer whether or not this is the same guy. Someone here should surely know?
This is not about who won the classic or placed in the classic. This is about enforcement of rules.
This means he could not have fished any qualifying MWS circuit or event until Sept. 14, 2004, if there was a 2 year rule in place.
The 2004 Classic was the first week of October, 2004. Do the Homework! That was a 3week time frame in which he had to fish all events and qualify for the 2004 Classic. None of the circuits were completed or had all of their events in 3week time frame. This would have been impossible. But yet he was still able to compete in 2004 MWS circuits and the 2004 classic, because He was fishing MWS events before he had been out of the PRO ranks for 2 years. It was either overlooked or it wasnt caught.
Everyone who fished the 2004 Classic who placed between 13th and 30th place should have moved up a position if this was the same angler who fished the PRO ranks. These teams may have been short changed on Pay Day! This Team/Angler should have not been allowed to compete this year if there was a 2 year Rule in Place Regarding PRO Anglers.
This circuit was created for amateur/weekend anglers. Take a look at where we are, now that the payout has risen to the level it has.
The Pro’s / EX-PRO's / Everstart guys, are moving in for the money and MWS is going to allow them to do so. MWS owner’s are making a killing as well.
Rules are being changed/ possibly not being enforced.
Good Luck to Everyone!
I am finished!
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Last edited by hogwild : 12-07-2005 at 09:30 AM. Reason: typo
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12-06-2005, 06:16 PM #22
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Nice hogwild.
A few additional comments:
2 Nitro NX882's do not cost $50,000 as claimed by Midwest. $46,000 is still inflated. I bought a new NX882 with a 150 merc for around $18,500, $21,300 out the door with everthing - tax, title, safety equip, cover, ect. Nitro boats are discounted significantly to everyone in the fall. I would imagine sponsorship relations would result in a larger discount.
2nd and 3rd place were paided by the local tourism board. Correct me if I'm wrong. That is $15,000 on top of it all.
Midwest stated 408 +/- a couple teams qualified for the classic. That means a total of approximately 1,360 paid teams fished the trail in 2005. Slightly more than 1,200. Each member of those teams paid $60. That would equal about $163,200. Granted some guys fish alone, but that number should still be a good estimate.
However, the money isn't my main concern. To list a few of the many...The amount of dead fish was disgusting! No official time was ever clearly announced if at all. On day two I asked the guys checking boats in the morning and received 2 different times. Weigh in baskets were knocked off the scale and never re-tared. Comments such as - cut us a break we put this together last minute were rather irritating. The men and women fishing the tournament spent thousands of dollars to fish for the week. Give them something to be proud to be a part of...
I apologize. I'm not one to complain but I had to put in my last two cents.
I'm done.
Lets go fish.
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12-06-2005, 09:10 PM #23
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hogwild;
If what you say is true about the Pro that fished the classic and BASS, shouldnt second place have a concern about this? I think everything you say looks good and it took you some time to gather all this info but does Midwest know about this Pro fishing?? They might end up spending the rest of the money for a couple more boats. Good job on the research!!
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12-07-2005, 08:58 AM #24
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Why do you think there is a rule change taking place for 2006? Of course they know about it.
Rule #1 for the year 2004-2005. How do you interpret it? When MWS was asked, they stated to another source who will remain nameless, that if a PRO hadnt fished in the last 2 years in a PRO event, he was allowed to fish MWS events for the 2004-2005 years. If you read the 04-05 Rules it doesnt mention anything about this 2 year clause. If just states if you fish as pro. There are no lengths of time mentioned. I was specifically stating that even if there was a 2 year rule, the 2004 Classic payouts were flawed from 13th place to the last place paying money, which I believe was around 33rd place. If there wasnt a 2 year rule, both the 04 and 05 Classic payouts would be flawed. And yes, the 05 Classic would be "Super Flawed", from 1st place all the way down to the last place paying money.
Was this the same Guy? This is the first question, that must be answered.
Why the rule changes all of the sudden?
I think we all are thinking the same thing. Why cant or wont MWS answer?
Where did the MWS national website go? There was a forum on there that people were posting comments on from all of the states participating in the classic. Those guys were really blasting MWS. Shortly after a guy from KY or TN questioned what was previously mentioned about a pro fishing in the Classic, the open forum just disappeared. This was the only forum that brought everyone together, from all of the states.
Do the math and put 2 and 2 together boys!
If you are wondering who is in question? Read the previous article and follow the links. If he indeed was the same guy (PRO). Depending on interpretation of the rules there could be some huge problems.
The 04-05 Rules state the tournament circuit is designed for the amateur angler.
Your call????
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Last edited by hogwild : 12-07-2005 at 01:03 PM. Reason: additional comment
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12-08-2005, 09:39 AM #25
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Or does it?
I saw the forum before it was taken down. I also know that at least 2 of the people on this forum and thread were also imputting and saw what was going on with the MWS forum. They had posted to the MWS forum during the chaos. Without answers, you have doubt... Good questions HogWild. They deserve good answers.
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12-09-2005, 04:39 PM #26
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At least 3 directors on this thread and 1 state director starting this thread and they have nothing to say about my previous post, in over 2 days.
Over 70 hits on this thread in 2 days and not a reply from a MWS rep.