Boone, never tried a white Bugger or ffin' for whites, but plan to soon. Last night we tied some Chicago Flies at the DCFF fly tying. Simple to tie, resembles a Bugger but with out the hackle. The guy doing the demonstration likes them better than a Bugger. Might want to check them out. I tied a white one and a black one last night and plan to test them in the water ASAP.