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    Military (Political) Justice

    After reading all the headlines and stories about SSG Bales, the US Soldier who shot up Afganistan civilian, I couldn't help noting the irony.

    There is this clamor to try SSG Bales quickly and execute him, never mind his having suffered a Traumatic Brain Injury and PTSD. Yet, the Muslim Major Hasan, who shot up Fort Hood while screaming Allah Akbar, still hasn't stood trial. And, they are stll debating whether he was insane, even with the clear evidence regarding his motives to slay as many Infidels as possible.

    Now, we have a guy in a War Zone on his fourth combat tour who cracks, and he must be executed immediately!!! But a Muslim Psychiatrist who was Stateside in a nice safe office all day, murders 13, wounds 29 of our own soldiers, and they try to argue that the poor lad suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from listening to real soldiers who had actual battle experieces.

    Two and a half years later, they still haven't tried this murderous Muslim. Lets see how fast SSG Bales gets tried!!

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    That is ironic and sad. I totally forgot about that. Has any of that come up in the news?

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    Our country is a mess...both inside the government and out. It's just a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJD View Post
    That is ironic and sad. I totally forgot about that. Has any of that come up in the news?

    Not that I have seen, but I sent this same thing to Fox News and Newsmax.

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    Good post Grumpy!

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    While its hard to condone what the s/sgt did, there is more to blame than will ever be made public. There are reports now coming out that army doctors have been to told to certify some wounded vets back into combat.Whats fishy is that he was passed for promotion to Sgt/ fc, WHY?Our grandson had two tours in afganistan, and was starting his third tour in Iraq, and he hadn't even served four years.The only way he got out of the middle east was to re-up and get a posting in Japan.That was before the earth quake. guess where they sent him?The army should also go on trial, this isn't right.These politicos who are clamoring for us to deal with Iran are nuts! Want to have another war, re-institute the draft!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kygorski View Post
    While its hard to condone what the s/sgt did, there is more to blame than will ever be made public. There are reports now coming out that army doctors have been to told to certify some wounded vets back into combat.Whats fishy is that he was passed for promotion to Sgt/ fc, WHY?Our grandson had two tours in afganistan, and was starting his third tour in Iraq, and he hadn't even served four years.The only way he got out of the middle east was to re-up and get a posting in Japan.That was before the earth quake. guess where they sent him?The army should also go on trial, this isn't right.These politicos who are clamoring for us to deal with Iran are nuts! Want to have another war, re-institute the draft!!!
    I wish you'd QUIT the the crap to re institute the draft.........WE did this to ourselves.......

    OUR DUMBASS politicians cut 750,000 troops during the 90's because we "didn't need them". THEY were cut after the first Gulf WAR. Clinton signed the orders.......

    We closed 30% of all of our military bases.......BECAUSE stupid politicians ordered it.

    We mothballed 30% of our aircraft...........BECAUSE stupid politicians ordered it.

    We mothballed 30% of our naval fleet.......BECAUSE stupid politicians ordered it.

    We have no need for a draft. Rather, we need to NEVER ELECT Idiots to office. The constitution of this great nation specifies that our FEDERAL government is to protect us.......THAT means funding the military to protect during peacetime and wartime. It is a **** shame that Bush and Clinton chose to be short sighted and cut the military when the threat of Islamic Terrorism was at its greatest.

    Even now, we are cutting spending on the military........which is a completely idiotic idea.

    Later,

    Geo
    Last edited by GeoFisher; 03-27-2012 at 01:15 PM. Reason: removed bull sheite and replaced with stupid.......

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    They also had a major reduction in the end of the 50s. during the cold war, pres. DDE. They started weeding out low scoring military members, while they were drafting the same thing.They abandoned that plan during viet nam, and recently lowered standards for our commitments in the middle east. A lot of us lived with the spectre of the call from "our neighbors"

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    Geo, if Penata and Obama continue with their proposed cuts to the military pay and allowences ACTIVE AND RETIRED, it is just a matter of time until there won't be any incentive for young people to join the military, much less make a career of it. Those that are in now and thinking of re-enlisting or staying for a career will see the broken promises to present retirees and they will say NO WAY AM I GOING TO STAY. When voluntary enlistments and re-enlistments drop to a certain point, even with the downsized force they are propsing, they will have to go back to the draft just to fill the basic military needs.

    Just a few of their probosals: drasticly cut active duty pay and allowences (which are frozen right now); require a longer stay for basic retirement (presently 20 years and they want it to be 30 years); recind the GI Bill for educational benifits; require larger enrollment fees for healthc care for family members; increase co-pays for family member healthcare; insititute enrollment fees (starting at $750 yearly per person, meaning a retiree and spouse would have to pay $1,500) for reitree health care (Tricare for Life supplement to Medicare); and insitute or increase co-pays for all medicaines whether obtained in military or civilain pharmacies.

    Those cuts are doing away with most of the incentives young military personnel have for enlisting and/or re-enlisting.

    Grumpy

    PS: I have already written letters three different times on this subject to Senators McConnel, Paul and Congressman Guthrie. McConnel and Paul have answered each with statements to the effect that THESE CUTS NEED TO BE MADE in order to cut the deficit. Guthrie is against them.
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    My step father was in the army in the late 20,s. Talk about benefits, there were very few.In fact soldiers were not looked at with much respect. There was the depression, very few could even enlist, promotions?Pay raises?.One cost no one mentions very much, is the national guard, and ready reserve.We couldn't even fight Canada with using them.There will be more cost cutting, its sad but true.When it comes to increased taxes for military, the "what have you done for us yeasterday" comes up.If we are to continue to be the worlds policeman, who will pay?I dont care if the Iraqis kill each other off, same with syria,were going broke defending our point of view, and more and more of the world is not agreeing with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    After reading all the headlines and stories about SSG Bales, the US Soldier who shot up Afganistan civilian, I couldn't help noting the irony.

    There is this clamor to try SSG Bales quickly and execute him, never mind his having suffered a Traumatic Brain Injury and PTSD. Yet, the Muslim Major Hasan, who shot up Fort Hood while screaming Allah Akbar, still hasn't stood trial. And, they are stll debating whether he was insane, even with the clear evidence regarding his motives to slay as many Infidels as possible.

    Now, we have a guy in a War Zone on his fourth combat tour who cracks, and he must be executed immediately!!! But a Muslim Psychiatrist who was Stateside in a nice safe office all day, murders 13, wounds 29 of our own soldiers, and they try to argue that the poor lad suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from listening to real soldiers who had actual battle experieces.

    Two and a half years later, they still haven't tried this murderous Muslim. Lets see how fast SSG Bales gets tried!!

    Grumpy
    Good post.

    Hopefully later this year we can rid ourselves of the socialist pestilence that has infected Washington DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    I wish you'd QUIT the the crap to re institute the draft.........WE did this to ourselves.......

    OUR DUMBASS politicians cut 750,000 troops during the 90's because we "didn't need them". THEY were cut after the first Gulf WAR. Clinton signed the orders.......

    We closed 30% of all of our military bases.......BECAUSE stupid politicians ordered it.

    We mothballed 30% of our aircraft...........BECAUSE stupid politicians ordered it.

    We mothballed 30% of our naval fleet.......BECAUSE stupid politicians ordered it.

    We have no need for a draft. Rather, we need to NEVER ELECT Idiots to office. The constitution of this great nation specifies that our FEDERAL government is to protect us.......THAT means funding the military to protect during peacetime and wartime. It is a **** shame that Bush and Clinton chose to be short sighted and cut the military when the threat of Islamic Terrorism was at its greatest.

    Even now, we are cutting spending on the military........which is a completely idiotic idea.

    Later,

    Geo
    If you think the cuts in the 90's were bad, you should see what's coming down the pike! It doesn't look good. I survived the draw down of the 90's and it wasn't pretty. This is even worse. The Army has to cut back because the administration is cutting funding. It makes sense to keep the best and brightest soldiers with the most potential for future service. How do you decide that? Here is one of the new rules. One bad evaluation,one alcohol or drug related incident, or one domestic violence incident and you are barred from reenlistment. The Authority to bar any soldier from reenlist has been delegated to the brigade commanders. These commanders can bar a soldier from reenlistment for any reason they see fit. Of course they are going to dust off AR 600-9 and start putting soldiers out for over weight and PT failures. The QMP boards will be going stronger than ever and they have introduced the QSP Boards for the upcoming E-9 board that convenes in June. The QSP will be a part of every senior enlisted board in the future. These boards will review the records of MSG an 1SG for evidence of stagnation in that rank and potential for future service. There's more coming but it's not written in stone yet because they don't know how many they have to cut. If sequestration occurs in Jan. 13 they will have to cut to the bone.

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