is the shutdown helping?

[waterdog101]

I think the longer it drags on, the more help it will be in getting Mitch McConnell out of Washington.

[DJD]

Man I think it's sad that this is what you and many people think this is about. I don't find a lot of humor or backhanded jokes about this action. Take a look at what is being closed down and tell me how any of that helps. But that being said.....now I think it needs to stay shut until people actually get pissed and stop playing this political game.

The country is skrewed up because of both parties and IMO since the dems have had years of complete unchecked power and now split power in congress they are more to blame and are acting like little spoiled rotten babies.
I don't know what kind of damage is being done to fellow Americans from this and I'm sorry for anyone affected by these idiots. I'm very pissed that people are elected to lead and they don't. They steal, break the law, lie, instigate racial fights and class warfare, pit American against American and walk around as if they are royalty.
They don't get hurt by this shutdown since the majority of them are wealthy and they are getting paid anyway....but you wanna bet some will take their paycheck and spend it like they have no responsibility in this madness.

I wonder if we are still giving billions to foreign aid? Either slated to give more or we gave some right before this krap! How many programs for kids or elderly are being hurt while we continue to pay politicians.

So is the shutdown helping?? Find someone who is getting the gubment shaft or having their vacation plans changed because of childish closings by our wonderful leaders and ask them. As for me...it hasn't affected me at all...yet!

[Tyme2fish]

Don,excellent post. Let me buy you a beer when and if we ever meet. Oh,crap, Obama has already hosted a beer summit. OK,I'll treat for the Woodford.

[kygorski]

But if this on, don't know. But the debt thing has me really pissed. I thought the gov. would shut down,its hurting a lot of folks, but the debt thing could hurt a lot more. My pension can pay the rent,and leave a little for food. But cutting my social security will leave me unable to do many things, like credit card payments, then I'm going to default.

[DJD]

Don,excellent post. Let me buy you a beer when and if we ever meet. Oh,crap, Obama has already hosted a beer summit. OK,I'll treat for the Woodford.

Thanks Tyme sounds good! Have you taken the Woodford Reserve Tour? We have and I find it interesting...I have worked there on service calls and had free reign of the property and it was very cool to have the access through those buildings. I love seeing anything like that...manufacturing, processing and automation impresses the krap about of me!

[GeoFisher]

But if this on, don't know. But the debt thing has me really pissed. I thought the gov. would shut down,its hurting a lot of folks, but the debt thing could hurt a lot more. My pension can pay the rent,and leave a little for food. But cutting my social security will leave me unable to do many things, like credit card payments, then I'm going to default.

Your social security should NEVER be cut. You were made a promise years ago. Likewise, I think if you're a person like me ( been paying social security for 30 years), it should be somewhat protected. BUT future generations, those who voted for Obama and the hope and change......THEY should get the hope and change the voted for......including all the debt associated with paying Kygorski's and my Social Security.

I hope to not have to use SSI, but I'm not going to turn it down........

There are lots of other places to cut....and we should start there.

Now, the Cost of Living increases in SSI.......maybe those need to be adjusted, and change them so they are not tied to CPI.

Later,

Geo

[DJD]

But if this on, don't know. But the debt thing has me really pissed. I thought the gov. would shut down,its hurting a lot of folks, but the debt thing could hurt a lot more. My pension can pay the rent,and leave a little for food. But cutting my social security will leave me unable to do many things, like credit card payments, then I'm going to default.

Honestly I cannot imagine them not raising the limit. As much as that thought pisses me off it has to happen. I'm pissed because this is a nonstop problem caused by our elected officials. They are gutless, incompetent and totally ruining this country.

What are the alternatives? Cutting social security, Medicare, military obligations?? I don't see that happening. This raising the debt limit debacle isn't new and like I stated before it has happened with both parties but in this case we have a potus who campaigned and promised change......he is given a pass on this kind of stuff and if that's not bad enough he spends like a drunken sailor and will not produce a viable budget that actually shows hard work toward stopping this problem.

This will happen again and again until it has catastrophic consequences to do anything or nothing.

[roadrunner]

Please be real :

We do not need to raise the debt ceiling we need to cut the size of government in about half, there is tons of departments that are doing duplicate work just look at the millions the IRS is wasting on retreats and crazy training videos, clean up all the waste and fraud. get a system in place that can be accountable for all the monies spent. pass a flat tax cut the IRS in half. The Federal Government is trying to control every aspect of every thing that goes on and that is not what it's function is. It is to protect the US and deal with the foreign policies

The states are responsible for their own domestic policies this it is called state rights and they have been trampled. We will never get the Federal government back to what it is mandated to do unless we cut off the money.

Think about it if we put up a token fight and then we all cave in because we can't default on our debt and raise the debt ceiling every time then we really do not have a debt ceiling this has allowed Obama to raise our debt from 9 trillion to 17 trillion dollars in just six years. He knows that he can be as reckless as he wants and we will pay for his drunken sailor spending.

At some time there has to be a line in the sand this president has sent one budget to congress (his first year) and it did not receive one vote. We have been running the entire federal government on continued spending resolutions and this is why we get into these shut downs. I know they blame the Republicans but folks it is a constitutional responsibility of the president to present a budget every year. If this was done then Obama would be limited to what he could spend so he does not want that. Also we would not have to raise the debt limit every six month we would only have to raise it if the budget that would be passed by the president the house and the senate called for the debt ceiling to be raised.

I would raise the debt ceiling but I would tell the president that we will not raise it again unless we have a budget passed by the time frame of the constitution. He is suppose to be a constitutional scholar and it is about time he follows it.

[GeoFisher]

Please be real :

We do not need to raise the debt ceiling we need to cut the size of government in about half, there is tons of departments that are doing duplicate work just look at the millions the IRS is wasting on retreats and crazy training videos, clean up all the waste and fraud. get a system in place that can be accountable for all the monies spent. pass a flat tax cut the IRS in half. The Federal Government is trying to control every aspect of every thing that goes on and that is not what it's function is. It is to protect the US and deal with the foreign policies

The states are responsible for their own domestic policies this it is called state rights and they have been trampled. We will never get the Federal government back to what it is mandated to do unless we cut off the money.

Think about it if we put up a token fight and then we all cave in because we can't default on our debt and raise the debt ceiling every time then we really do not have a debt ceiling this has allowed Obama to raise our debt from 9 trillion to 17 trillion dollars in just six years. He knows that he can be as reckless as he wants and we will pay for his drunken sailor spending.

At some time there has to be a line in the sand this president has sent one budget to congress (his first year) and it did not receive one vote. We have been running the entire federal government on continued spending resolutions and this is why we get into these shut downs. I know they blame the Republicans but folks it is a constitutional responsibility of the president to present a budget every year. If this was done then Obama would be limited to what he could spend so he does not want that. Also we would not have to raise the debt limit every six month we would only have to raise it if the budget that would be passed by the president the house and the senate called for the debt ceiling to be raised.

I would raise the debt ceiling but I would tell the president that we will not raise it again unless we have a budget passed by the time frame of the constitution. He is suppose to be a constitutional scholar and it is about time he follows it.

TWO things will get our house in order.........and they are unbelievably SIMPLE. Even a CAVEMAN could do it:

1). Cut spending 1% a year.....Across the board for 10 years. At the end of 10 years, FREEZE the spending at that level.

2). Eliminate the 4% CPI based ******** increases that are built into pretty much every governmental department. I mean really.......you EVERY ONE of you increase your spending 4% across the board on EVERYTHING.

This is so straight forward and simple that no one realizes that it would work.........Of course, this plan can out before the Obamunists imploded the debt with ObamaCare, so we might need to repeal that horseshit too.

At the end of 10 years, we no longer have a deficit, and are putting something like 500 BILLION towards the debt. Not debt free, but no new debt.

Later,

Geo

[DJD]

Please be real :

We do not need to raise the debt ceiling we need to cut the size of government in about half, there is tons of departments that are doing duplicate work just look at the millions the IRS is wasting on retreats and crazy training videos, clean up all the waste and fraud. get a system in place that can be accountable for all the monies spent. pass a flat tax cut the IRS in half. The Federal Government is trying to control every aspect of every thing that goes on and that is not what it's function is. It is to protect the US and deal with the foreign policies

The states are responsible for their own domestic policies this it is called state rights and they have been trampled. We will never get the Federal government back to what it is mandated to do unless we cut off the money.

Think about it if we put up a token fight and then we all cave in because we can't default on our debt and raise the debt ceiling every time then we really do not have a debt ceiling this has allowed Obama to raise our debt from 9 trillion to 17 trillion dollars in just six years. He knows that he can be as reckless as he wants and we will pay for his drunken sailor spending.

At some time there has to be a line in the sand this president has sent one budget to congress (his first year) and it did not receive one vote. We have been running the entire federal government on continued spending resolutions and this is why we get into these shut downs. I know they blame the Republicans but folks it is a constitutional responsibility of the president to present a budget every year. If this was done then Obama would be limited to what he could spend so he does not want that. Also we would not have to raise the debt limit every six month we would only have to raise it if the budget that would be passed by the president the house and the senate called for the debt ceiling to be raised.

I would raise the debt ceiling but I would tell the president that we will not raise it again unless we have a budget passed by the time frame of the constitution. He is suppose to be a constitutional scholar and it is about time he follows it.

I totally agree but most of what you typed will not happen....that is the reality. It always has been and when you look at our potus and his record, power and free pass with the press you think something like that will happen under his watch?? Ha, no freakin way!! That would take leadership from both sides and that's not what we have. We have people up there who act based on party strength, upcoming elections, pork spending and personal wars against each other aside from party affiliation. Little to no accountability is in effect in Washington and the position we are in proves that. You think the majority of Americans know what is happening? Nope, they hear about it on a news byte and that's it....just as the crooks in Washington like it.

Your ideas are perfect IMO but its flawed because it's a plan and they don't like plans. They like emergency spending just like the bailouts, obamacare and this continued debt ceiling fiasco. Raising the debt ceiling is nothing new for either party as it has happened 78 times since 1960..
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_1...hats-at-stake/

IMO the only thing that will cause a change is a change in attitude up there. What will cause that? An uprising, a voice from the people that we have had enough. They know that so I think the Department of Homeland Security is what will be needed to control that uprising. I think we are nowhere close to that because people are sheep that will do the everyday routine as long as there is still money coming in and food on the table. They know this and since we don't have real leaders who will attempt to stop the Dictatorship we are falling under....we are skrewed until further notice!!

[Olgrey]

Has it occurred to anyone to ask what happens to your insurance in case of another government shutdown? If the government shuts down will this program be deemed essential and allowed to operate? Will it be shut down so that doctors and hospitals will not be paid? Would this program be allowed to operate without any oversight in case of another shutdown?

As inefficient as the government is when it is operating, as full of waste and/or fraud as investigations have shown some departments/programs to be (IRS for example), what will happen within this program if they manage to find the almost unlimited funds required to keep it to operating? Just some things to consider.

[Moveon]

I think the longer it drags on, the more help it will be in getting Mitch McConnell out of Washington.

Congresses approval rating is at an all time low right now. That may suggest that the next election may not be too favorable to the incumbents. Many people are calling for the voters to throw the bums out of congress.

If we don't fix this mess millions of senior citizens who are retired WILL NOT get their Social Security Checks in the mail or in their checking accounts.