very tuff lake for 1st timers as well as 5th timers, wont give u all the reasons Y to try this, but think about it..... your dad... your son, first time,....all. the expense getting there, coupled with "priceless experience " add 150.00$ more and hire a guide then try what they show you the next day........all that being said ..... look at some of my past post keep in mind this is for live bait only fishing, add 6ft plus spinning rod clear 8-10lb test, split shot about 18 inches above your hook, mine are 3/0 wire aberden style hooks, with shinners in water I told you about pulled boat on the bank free spool u cant miss



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