You wanna save the gubment some money on healthcare.

[GeoFisher]

PUT all gubment workers on an HSA..........

There are 1.8 million federal employees............their health care coverage is worth about 12,000 a year......that is BASED on what you and I would pay for similar coverage on the open market, and not through a group plan.

And HSA would cost the gubment 1000 bucks per year per person....and the Individual would contribute whatever they wanted to towards their HSA.

Instead of 21 BILLION in expenses, you can purchase an HSA and have fed employees contribute to their OWN health care for about 1.8 BILLION......

WOW......what a novel idea.

No matter what plan the gubment comes up with.........ALL GUBMENT employees and congress should be REQUIRED to be enrolled in it.

It is SICKENING to see the plans the gubment offers.....TALK about a golden ticket.

Later,

Geo

[zx150]

Generally speaking the only good benefit for a Gabment worker is the insurance. I get my arse kicked in the paycheck department. My insurance coverage is not that great. That and the retirement benefit has declined a bunch. So has the number of applicants. They are taking the only good perks away from the job.

[Bobby Headrick]

Same here ZX, no one is applying for state job's anymore as the pay *****, I do not make 30 k a year now due to all the non raise years and cutbacks etc. Also our state ins stinks, higher co pays and they do not even cover some meds that they covered last year, also by the time I have my 20 + in there will be nothing in the retirement kitty for the workers, cause the big dawgs took care of them selves first and only.

[kyfanatic]

Just don't screw with my Dad's health insurance,He served in WWII in Germany and spent over 30 years working for the Postal Service and never missed a days work.He's in his 80's,not the best of health anymore,and certainly doesn't need to be crapped on by any of you.

[kyfanatic]

You want tosave us all some money,get rid of all these high dollar CEO's that run corporations into the ground and our generous Govt bails out only to let the CEO's take big money vacations and get huge bonuses.

[GeoFisher]

Just don't screw with my Dad's health insurance,He served in WWII in Germany and spent over 30 years working for the Postal Service and never missed a days work.He's in his 80's,not the best of health anymore,and certainly doesn't need to be crapped on by any of you.

I have NO problems with Military benefits........my dad also served in the military.......for 30 YEARS.

[HURRICANEBOB]

"It is SICKENING to see the plans the gubment offers.....TALK about a golden ticket."

ya, think of all the golden tickets feds get:

a. Some see periodic deployments to foreign countries....most of which are now glad to see you.
b. Like working 24X7 for a couple months or years when a national crisis or disaster occurs.
c. Like knowing you are spending all that time working for your country and fellow citizens when you could be looking out for #1, or the family, or fishing.
d. Like losing a job when the budget gets cut, even though that person maybe an excellent productive performer. Less bucks, less people. And I know that happens "downtown" too. Just don't dillute yourself with the thought that "gubment = security". And oh by the way, since the guy whose job went away spent 30 years managing the maintenance of Abrams tanks......go find a similar job down town.
e. Like getting to make some really cool career decisions, like do I move from KY where my house is paid off, wife's family resides, and wife's career is located, to Washington DC like my boss wants me to be and where I can buy a house that costs 5 times more than it should, depreciates like a rock, and oh......by the way, I get to wreck the wife's career if I move to save my job. Same scenario, but changed the city to Detroit and see what ya think.

Geo, you're a great guy and all. Tell ya what..........walk in the shoes of one that does serve the country for 30 some years, then tell me if ya feel "over-compensated". Especially if about 75% of the darn medical issues you have are related directly to the stresses faced, hours worked, sleep lost, meals missed, and lovely locations where you "enjoyed" employment.

"golden parachutes".......that's one you took with you when you voluntarily went to some dangerous place well above the ground level, and hope what you are doing never requires you to use it. Its not the fall that hurts, its that sudden stop, and that's what parachutes are supposed to do. A "golden parachute" is one that worked when it was called on.

Beers getting warm.....gotta go.

[HURRICANEBOB]

Just don't screw with my Dad's health insurance,He served in WWII in Germany and spent over 30 years working for the Postal Service and never missed a days work.He's in his 80's,not the best of health anymore,and certainly doesn't need to be crapped on by any of you.

Next time you see him, tell him some guy on fishin.com said, "THANK-YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR US ALL".

[GeoFisher]

OK Hurricane.........maybe it was a little strong...........figure this.....

WHAT makes a government employee.......EVEN after you listed the things above.......which BTW, exist in every other job in the country........ANY BETTER than a private industry employee.

THEN add on top of that the cost of that magical insurance policy.....which cannot be SOLD to anyone, because NO ONE could AFFORD IT.......

I don't know the answers.......but I will tell you this......if the GOVERNMENT creates this BS plan that we're supposed to embrace, the FIRST people to embrace it should be CONGRESS........the next.......FEDERAL EMPLOYEES..........If it's good enough for the country, then it's good enough for the fed.

BTW........my insurance plan is subsidized by my company, and they have to make financial decisions with regards to the cost.......your insurance plan.......well, it's SUBSIDIZED by ME..............

Finally.......lets compare some of your bullet items:


a. Some see periodic deployments to foreign countries....most of which are now glad to see you.

I've not done that.........BUT the deployed employees, if you count all military and ALL state dept members comes to just a few percent of government employees. I don't have the exact number, but I could come up with it.......so I don't believe that counts.......AND I stated more than once that Military Benefits are a different animal.

b. Like working 24X7 for a couple months or years when a national crisis or disaster occurs.

I work 24 x 7 ALL the time in the private sector.......and as a salaried employee, I rarely put in less than 60 hrs a week. Yes, I get decent vacation and YES I get decent comp time, but work is WORK, and you pick your poison.

c. Like knowing you are spending all that time working for your country and fellow citizens when you could be looking out for #1, or the family, or fishing.

I don't quite understand this either.........Military are deployed, and State Dept are also, but not many other government employees outside of that??

d. Like losing a job when the budget gets cut, even though that person maybe an excellent productive performer. Less bucks, less people. And I know that happens "downtown" too. Just don't dillute yourself with the thought that "gubment = security". And oh by the way, since the guy whose job went away spent 30 years managing the maintenance of Abrams tanks......go find a similar job down town.

In the private sector.....I ALWAYS have to watch my back and continue to hone my skills. Outsourcing to India, Bangledesh, Russia, and a few other countries is ALWAYS an issue......and if I'm not on TOP of my game, I'm out of a job.

I'm not diluting myself with gubment=security.........BUT in most cases, that's the CASE. If any of the existing plans in play get approved by the government, it will move TENS of thousands of jobs from the private sector to the government sector.....

I suspect someone managing maintenance on Abrams tanks could take those managemment skills elsewhere.......

e. Like getting to make some really cool career decisions, like do I move from KY where my house is paid off, wife's family resides, and wife's career is located, to Washington DC like my boss wants me to be and where I can buy a house that costs 5 times more than it should, depreciates like a rock, and oh......by the way, I get to wreck the wife's career if I move to save my job. Same scenario, but changed the city to Detroit and see what ya think

I moved 5 times in 4 years following the job..........I've been fortunate that I have not had to move recently...........but I would in a HEARTBEAT....and if my company wanted to move me to Detroit......or Washington DC.......SEE YA....it might be hard to find what I want but I'd CERTAINLY not move somewhere I didn't want.

Working for 20+ years or so in the same industry, and walking away to do something else is SCARY.........I've often thought of it....but I don't think a government employee, and a private sector employee are that far apart............

It's late and I'm going to BED...................and yes.........I'm up at 2:00 AM in the morning, because I'm working to provide SERVICE to my PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYER.

Later,

Geo

[kyfanatic]

OK Hurricane.........maybe it was a little strong...........figure this.....

WHAT makes a government employee.......EVEN after you listed the things above.......which BTW, exist in every other job in the country........ANY BETTER than a private industry employee.

THEN add on top of that the cost of that magical insurance policy.....which cannot be SOLD to anyone, because NO ONE could AFFORD IT.......

I don't know the answers.......but I will tell you this......if the GOVERNMENT creates this BS plan that we're supposed to embrace, the FIRST people to embrace it should be CONGRESS........the next.......FEDERAL EMPLOYEES..........If it's good enough for the country, then it's good enough for the fed.

BTW........my insurance plan is subsidized by my company, and they have to make financial decisions with regards to the cost.......your insurance plan.......well, it's SUBSIDIZED by ME..............

Finally.......lets compare some of your bullet items:


a. Some see periodic deployments to foreign countries....most of which are now glad to see you.

I've not done that.........BUT the deployed employees, if you count all military and ALL state dept members comes to just a few percent of government employees. I don't have the exact number, but I could come up with it.......so I don't believe that counts.......AND I stated more than once that Military Benefits are a different animal.

b. Like working 24X7 for a couple months or years when a national crisis or disaster occurs.

I work 24 x 7 ALL the time in the private sector.......and as a salaried employee, I rarely put in less than 60 hrs a week. Yes, I get decent vacation and YES I get decent comp time, but work is WORK, and you pick your poison.

c. Like knowing you are spending all that time working for your country and fellow citizens when you could be looking out for #1, or the family, or fishing.

I don't quite understand this either.........Military are deployed, and State Dept are also, but not many other government employees outside of that??

d. Like losing a job when the budget gets cut, even though that person maybe an excellent productive performer. Less bucks, less people. And I know that happens "downtown" too. Just don't dillute yourself with the thought that "gubment = security". And oh by the way, since the guy whose job went away spent 30 years managing the maintenance of Abrams tanks......go find a similar job down town.

In the private sector.....I ALWAYS have to watch my back and continue to hone my skills. Outsourcing to India, Bangledesh, Russia, and a few other countries is ALWAYS an issue......and if I'm not on TOP of my game, I'm out of a job.

I'm not diluting myself with gubment=security.........BUT in most cases, that's the CASE. If any of the existing plans in play get approved by the government, it will move TENS of thousands of jobs from the private sector to the government sector.....

I suspect someone managing maintenance on Abrams tanks could take those managemment skills elsewhere.......

e. Like getting to make some really cool career decisions, like do I move from KY where my house is paid off, wife's family resides, and wife's career is located, to Washington DC like my boss wants me to be and where I can buy a house that costs 5 times more than it should, depreciates like a rock, and oh......by the way, I get to wreck the wife's career if I move to save my job. Same scenario, but changed the city to Detroit and see what ya think

I moved 5 times in 4 years following the job..........I've been fortunate that I have not had to move recently...........but I would in a HEARTBEAT....and if my company wanted to move me to Detroit......or Washington DC.......SEE YA....it might be hard to find what I want but I'd CERTAINLY not move somewhere I didn't want.

Working for 20+ years or so in the same industry, and walking away to do something else is SCARY.........I've often thought of it....but I don't think a government employee, and a private sector employee are that far apart............

It's late and I'm going to BED...................and yes.........I'm up at 2:00 AM in the morning, because I'm working to provide SERVICE to my PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYER.

Later,

Geo

Sounds to me like you need to go get a Govt job and quit whining about those that do work there.Personally ,I think if that's what part of the benefit package is,that's what they deserve to get.I've been trying to get a Federal Carpenters job and it's not like they give every Tom,****,and Harry a job.Most are veterans and others who have served.

Here's a link so you can join them = http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/?WT.svl=navsearch

[GeoFisher]

Sounds to me like you need to go get a Govt job and quit whining about those that do work there.Personally ,I think if that's what part of the benefit package is,that's what they deserve to get.I've been trying to get a Federal Carpenters job and it's not like they give every Tom,****,and Harry a job.Most are veterans and others who have served.

Here's a link so you can join them = http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/?WT.svl=navsearch

So now I'm a whiner...........FANTASTIC.

I don't think so.......I'm worried about the money we spend the status quo, government's ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY........etc, etc............and most government jobs are not held by veterans.........

PROVE the last statement, and I might adjust my thoughts on this a little. AGAIN......vets have EARNED these benefits.

Later,

Geo

[stratosjoe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by stratosjoe
Gee thanks, Geo as always we really appreciate your input


Ok......how about this...........

Man.......those are GREAT chargers..........Go ahead, purchase one......

Just plan on buying batteries every year, because you will BOIL THE CRAP out of them........

By the time you replace to or 3 batteries a year......you could have EASILY purchased a GOOD PCM CHARGER........

AND just in case you think I'm blowing smoke.......here is a pic of said CRAPPY.........CHARGER.

http://www.geofisher.com/Misc/crappy_charger.JPG


Later,

Geo
Could it be you let your opinion rule your tonque yet Again