Tiger fires Steve Williams

[elnutsmalljaws]

I guess Tiger can't look in the mirror and man up as to why he has become irrelevant in golf so he fired his caddie Steve Williams. Tiger was mad that Williams caddied for Adam Scott in the British Open and said it was time for a change. Tiger won 33% of all the tournaments he entered with Steve on the bag. He would not have done that with another caddie not to mention Williams was in Woods wedding and vise versa. Sad that Woods has fallen this far so fast and NOBODY seen this coming. If you had said a couple of years ago that Tiger would not win another tournament and fall out of the Top 10 in the world rankings and fire his caddie, you would have thought they were crazy. Tiger is in worse shape than I thought and may NEVER make it back to even close to what he once was

[mhall]

I didn't say it two years ago but I did over a year. Check back, I told you once he got caught and had to get clean he would just be one of the boys and you siad he would dominate. You did tell me I was crazy, I told ya Woody, without the Roids he's just one of the boys.......

[DJD]

I think this is more proof that Golf is such a mental game. Tiger is so far out there since he has lost just about everthing that was his "normal". So now he has to blame everyone and punish everyone around him for his actions of the past instead of being a man and taking it on the chin. The guy has been treated like a super rockstar for so long he started believing he was just that.

Now we will see if he can dig inside and find the real man...it's gonna be tough. I personally don't think roids has anything to do with his mental down fall but maybe physically?? I guess I missed that he was taking them? Just asking but was he?? I know he beefed up pretty good but a man his age with a good diet and the best trainers can do just what he has done with his body. I hope he pulls out of this and gets things back on track.

[mhall]

One tell tale sign of HTH roid use which many in the golf world including his peers believed he was using is Joint pain and break down after the stoppage of use. He is hurting all over he admits, his drives are much shorter on average and struggling physically both on and off the course. I agree his head is in the wrong place, but alot of his fellow golfers, many in the PGA and I alike believed he was juicing. One doctor was said in an interview that he was injecting him regular with the stuff. I know he went from a decent build to ripped overnight and I lift alot and that is very hard to do without supplements. Also his outbursts and fits he would throw are also a real sign of the juice. Just some thoughts, but I agree his head is not right either and the mental game is huge.

[Tim_T]

Tiger was the best golfer out there before he allegedly got juiced up. I also doubt roids and HGH made him have the best short game in the world. Not sure that IF he was juicing, how much it would help. He was already out driving anybody before he beefed up.

The guy won the U.S. Open on a freakin' broken leg!

Tiger's problem is mental. He was always the mentally toughest player on tour and he lost that edge. He still has the natural athletic ability, he just doesn't have it upstairs.

[mhall]

Tiger was the best golfer out there before he allegedly got juiced up. I also doubt roids and HGH made him have the best short game in the world. Not sure that IF he was juicing, how much it would help. He was already out driving anybody before he beefed up.

The guy won the U.S. Open on a freakin' broken leg!

Tiger's problem is mental. He was always the mentally toughest player on tour and he lost that edge. He still has the natural athletic ability, he just doesn't have it upstairs.

Everybody has an opinion, thats all this thread is about. His long game has always been better than his short game IMO. His leg wasn't broke, thats a stretch, lol. Unless you know for sure which I'm sure you don't, your ability to say he wasn't using isn't anymore valid then mine to say it is, unless you have some friends of a friend that knows Tiger personally or something, lol.

[Fishin is life]

Tiger had the ability to turn his short game on in pressure situations....He was possibly the best pressure putter to ever play the game...Juice, and being all beefed up, if anything, would hurt his short game...I'm not saying he did or didn't juice, but you can't attribute all of his being the best golfer in the world on that alone....He could've, and did compete on the pga when he was in college and certainly wasn't juicing...He has gone from complete dominance to not even remotely being in contention in any tournament....He better get his head turned around quick or he might as well retire to his multimillion dollar homes with anything and everything he wants

[Tim_T]

Everybody has an opinion, thats all this thread is about. His long game has always been better than his short game IMO. His leg wasn't broke, thats a stretch, lol. Unless you know for sure which I'm sure you don't, your ability to say he wasn't using isn't anymore valid then mine to say it is, unless you have some friends of a friend that knows Tiger personally or something, lol.

He could barely walk, did you see what all was wrong in the diagrams they showed on tv regarding his leg? He shouldn't have even been playing, yet not only was he playing, he was winning against the best golfers in the world. You hate the guy and have said as much numerous times here. I am not a Tiger fan, but can look at it objectively and say he is one of, if not THE best golfer I have seen.

Also, if you go back and re0read my first post, I never once said he was not juicing, heck he probably was, but it has yet to be proven. I think a lot of athletes juice, especially in sports that don't have rigorous testing for it. I just don't see it as being that huge of a help in golf, a sport that is more techinique related than it is strength related.

I believe Manny Pacquaio is one of the biggest juice heads in sports, but I have no way to prove it.

[mhall]

I admit I don't like him, never have never will. I think he is a spoiled rotten punk, always have always will. I think he is a terrible role model and was overall bad for the sport to which I would rather watch flippin latex caulk dry then observe it on TV. I always viewed golf as a sport for guy's that couldn't fish, lol. I'm hot, even my sweat is sweating, kinda honery today I guess. I hope he fades away like a bad Zit on your nose and NEVER breaks Jack's record who was a REAL golfer who played the game and acted the way you are suppose to. I think he was a Roid head and I always will, was he a GREAT golfer..............sure he was I would be a dumbass to say different, but I still can't stand him. Objectively as you say, yea I'll give him his props. Finesse game sure, but if you are getting there in three when everybody else is getting there in 4 or 5 Tim, sorry buddy it makes a big difference. I use to lift with a guy that ended being a Cop, super nice guy. We were the same size and lifted all the time. He went into some competitions and starting juicing, needles and everything. My max bench at the time was about the same as his 320 to 340. He went to 420 in about a month, YES I saw it with my own two eyes, 420 and was a 198lb man. There are some NFL linemen that can't bench 420 but he could. Now he was a beast before but that stuff made him frickin Superman. He is still a Cop and clean as a whistle, my point is I seen first hand what that stuff could do, and it was just unreal and fast to and it blew him up like you put a hose in his skin to.

[Tom523]

One tell tale sign of HTH roid use which many in the golf world including his peers believed he was using is Joint pain and break down after the stoppage of use. He is hurting all over he admits, his drives are much shorter on average and struggling physically both on and off the course. I agree his head is in the wrong place, but alot of his fellow golfers, many in the PGA and I alike believed he was juicing. One doctor was said in an interview that he was injecting him regular with the stuff. I know he went from a decent build to ripped overnight and I lift alot and that is very hard to do without supplements. Also his outbursts and fits he would throw are also a real sign of the juice. Just some thoughts, but I agree his head is not right either and the mental game is huge.

I think the only performance enhancing drug he was using was Viagra!

[elnutsmalljaws]

Just to add to what I typed earlier in that Golf NEEDS TIGER WOODS to be relevant again and FAST:

The last 11 major championship winners: Padraig Harrington, Angel Cabrera, Lucas Glover, Stewart Cink, Yang Yong-eun, Phil Mickelson, Graeme McDowell, Louis Oosthuizen, Martin Kaymer, Charl Schwartzel, and Rory McIlroy. Phil Mickelson has won 3 majors and Rory McIlroy looks like he could win a few more before he is done, but how many SUPERSTAR GOLFERS are on this list? How many on this list would you plunk down your hard earned money to come and watch them play golf? My guess is Phil Mickelson, but not for his ability to play golf as good as Tiger. My bet is you would want to watch Phil to see when the wheels come off in his round. Lucas Glover is the only real American golfer that is young and coming into his prime on this list. Cink and Mickelson have past their prime and their best golf overall is behind them. Neither of them dominated the tour in their prime and neither of them will dominate the tour now or in the future. The PGA Tour needs to be headed and dominated by American Golfers and Tiger Woods was the poster boy. The Tour needs Tiger to be the poster boy again and SOON.

[Chubminnow]

Steroid is a stimulant isn't it? I think some folks with Attention Deficit Disorder are prescribed certain drugs that do contain small amounts of steroid, supposedly it's in there to help them concentrate???? I don't know, just what I've heard. So if this is the case and IF Tiger did in fact take the drug then it's possible it did enhance his mental capabilities for the game.

As for Tiger himself...I never did jump on his band wagon...of course this is coming from me, a guy who could care less about golf and doesn't jump on anything that is popular, usually once something becomes popular I'm done with it, except for sliced bread, love me some 100% whole wheat on my samwiches