Affordable Health Care

[waterdog101]

The ACA's Section 1001 created a new provision in the Public Health Service Act, mandating that insurers cover certain preventive care services under guidelines offered by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force. Thanks to that reform, known as the "Mikulski provision" in honor of sponsor Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), women will have access to a package of health benefits at no additional cost, including annual Pap tests, and breastfeeding consultation and supplies. it took effect today, good news for millions of women.

[kygorski]

Dont mean a thing! There are several cases heading for the supreme court that say its unconstitutional.Its the religious belief thing by private business owners.The big sticking point is birth control. Seems strange, do we need more children born into the lower economic stata? If so, why are some medical programs for those children facing cuts? If these religious groups are so concerned, are they going to bear the burden of educating them? Trends point the other way.

[Aquaman]

personal opinion but I think Wefare/unemployment = mandatory birthcontrol. If you need the government to support you... your not in any position to be having a child!!!

[know1]

The ACA's Section 1001 created a new provision in the Public Health Service Act, mandating that insurers cover certain preventive care services under guidelines offered by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force. Thanks to that reform, known as the "Mikulski provision" in honor of sponsor Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), women will have access to a package of health benefits at no additional cost, including annual Pap tests, and breastfeeding consultation and supplies. it took effect today, good news for millions of women.

Wow - it's like magic. Nobody is paying for it, huh?

[DJD]

Wow - it's like magic. Nobody is paying for it, huh?

Yup the Obama money tree is endless! Whats our national debt looking like now? In a few years? Change is what we have and change is all we will have left.

[kygorski]

We do, sooner or later. Many doctors refuse new medicaid patients, so its emergency rooms. Those of us with insurance find we are paying for the "free" health care. Whats the alternative? How about those poor old or young folks , just lay back and die? Doctors can refuse to give medical care, some hospitals do that also. The problem is not going to ga away. Its strange that prisoners in Gitmo, enemies of of our country, get better care than some of our citizens who put them there.

[know1]

The problem is our reliance on insurance in the first place. That's what has caused this mess.

And who could blame us when businesses started offering it as a benefit? And later when it became too expensive to pay all of it, they still remove it from our check before we get it so it's less painful

If I'd been given all the money that my employers have spent on MY health - and it's stupid to put our health in the hands of someone else anyway - then I would have bought a high deductible policy, paid for most all routine things with cash, and put the rest into my own healthcare fund. I'd be willing to bet I'd have a few hundred thousand dollars socked away right now.

Most of our healthcare money is going to fund the profit, fraud and bureaucracy that is the health INSURANCE industry which we've allowed to become pervasive.

(And I'm not advocating letting poor people go untreated or die. The problem is that our system makes almost everyone a "poor people" if they don't have insurance. In other words, the number of people that can't afford health care is way out of proportion to the economic makeup of our population...and it's due to our reliance on health insurance)

[GeoFisher]

The problem is our reliance on insurance in the first place. That's what has caused this mess.

And who could blame us when businesses started offering it as a benefit? And later when it became too expensive to pay all of it, they still remove it from our check before we get it so it's less painful

If I'd been given all the money that my employers have spent on MY health - and it's stupid to put our health in the hands of someone else anyway - then I would have bought a high deductible policy, paid for most all routine things with cash, and put the rest into my own healthcare fund. I'd be willing to bet I'd have a few hundred thousand dollars socked away right now.

Most of our healthcare money is going to fund the profit, fraud and bureaucracy that is the health INSURANCE industry which we've allowed to become pervasive.

(And I'm not advocating letting poor people go untreated or die. The problem is that our system makes almost everyone a "poor people" if they don't have insurance. In other words, the number of people that can't afford health care is way out of proportion to the economic makeup of our population...and it's due to our reliance on health insurance)

You realize insurance and benefits were CREATED because of gubment intervention in the 40's.

WAGE controls introduced after WWII created this mess. the congress FROZE wages, and that directly lead to the creation of benefits and insurance to "level" the playing field, and offer someone an incentive to work at X versus Y.

Yea, gotta LOVE gubment......gotta LOVE IT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._United_States

Later,

Geo

[know1]

You realize insurance and benefits were CREATED because of gubment intervention in the 40's.

WAGE controls introduced after WWII created this mess. the congress FROZE wages, and that directly lead to the creation of benefits and insurance to "level" the playing field, and offer someone an incentive to work at X versus Y.

Yea, gotta LOVE gubment......gotta LOVE IT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._United_States

Later,

Geo

Well it stands to reason that the government was the cause of this mess. They usually are.

[DJD]

We do, sooner or later. Many doctors refuse new medicaid patients, so its emergency rooms. Those of us with insurance find we are paying for the "free" health care. Whats the alternative? How about those poor old or young folks , just lay back and die? Doctors can refuse to give medical care, some hospitals do that also. The problem is not going to ga away. Its strange that prisoners in Gitmo, enemies of of our country, get better care than some of our citizens who put them there.

I don't know the alternative?? I don't like what I hear so far about obamacare that's for sure. One problem I see is our gubments wasteful ways. Gitmo, illegals, frivolous lawsuits and abusers of the system sounds like a good place to start to me.

The approach of giving more away means someone else is going to pay more. It doesn't mean they fixed anything and once the gubment starts taxing us more.... they will always come knocking on middle class doors hunting for more. Before long our cable bill and sewer bill will have a healthcare tax on it. Tossing money at it NEVER works but yet that seems to be what the Liberals and some Conservatives get all excited about.

Your comment "how about those poor old or young folks, just lay back and die?" is the perfect question to ask since it distracts someone from the real problem and starts pulling at your heart but that question is for the fools making the laws, not anyone trying to survive under this administrations ground breaking screw ups. There isn't a person I know that wants to see that happen.

[GeoFisher]

I don't know the alternative?? I don't like what I hear so far about obamacare that's for sure. One problem I see is our gubments wasteful ways. Gitmo, illegals, frivolous lawsuits and abusers of the system sounds like a good place to start to me.

The approach of giving more away means someone else is going to pay more. It doesn't mean they fixed anything and once the gubment starts taxing us more.... they will always come knocking on middle class doors hunting for more. Before long our cable bill and sewer bill will have a healthcare tax on it. Tossing money at it NEVER works but yet that seems to be what the Liberals and some Conservatives get all excited about.

Your comment "how about those poor old or young folks, just lay back and die?" is the perfect question to ask since it distracts someone from the real problem and starts pulling at your heart but that question is for the fools making the laws, not anyone trying to survive under this administrations ground breaking screw ups. There isn't a person I know that wants to see that happen.

Catastrophic insurance.........need a heart or a lung, have insurance for that. Have a belly ache, PAY for it.

The idea of insurance has gotten way out of control. I have a HSA and pay for everything up to 6800, and then my "insurance" pays from there, but only 90/10 up to a MAX out of pocket.

My wife went in for some tests last month...they quoted a price, and I told them we're playing out of pocket...ALL of it, and they lowered the price. THAT is horsecrap. There is a cost for everything, and when gubment gets involved and pays for everything, it inflates the price for those who actually do pay for it.

We perform way too much defensive medicine.......I might need 1 test, but I end up getting 12 tests because the docs are afraid I'm going to sue. In the case of gubment paying for this stuff, they may deny 5 of the tests, but the other 7 are paid for at a premium, making up the shortfall for the 5 that were not paid for.

The insurance/provider relation is seriously out of whack. We need to get back to patient/provider relationships.

Later,

Geo

[waterdog101]

Wow - it's like magic. Nobody is paying for it, huh?

if you are paying for an health insurance plan now. and your wife or daughter are on your plan and need the preventive test, now your insurance has to cover the test needed at no out of pocket charge to you. I think it's a very good thing for women.