The Medicare voucher program

[kydonky]

In the past I have tried to highlight how insurance works as a tool to spead financial risks.

Now we have Ryan as a VP nominee advocating abolishing Medicare and replacing it with a voucher program for seniors to purchase their own insurance.

So they will create an insurance pool that will have the highest medical cost. Anyone receiving Medicare now would be "pooled" into a group that are all 65 years and older or have chronic health problems that make them eligible for Medicare now.

So the other option is to pool these people in with their other policy holders. So then your health insurance carrier it going to add all of these high cost risks into the general company policies. You think health insurance is high now!!! Wait till this is enacted.

Medicare was established in a large part because most insurance companies would not insure the elderly and the elderly could not afford health care. So Medicare was established where you paid into it when you are young and hopefully healthy and you receive the benifit when you reach age 65. Everyone that qualifys for Social Security qualifys for Medicare.

So all of these insurance companies everyone complains about are going to oversee health care for all seniors. I wonder what your voucher will buy you.

On top of all that you have a party that STRONGLY advocates no government in business and no government regulations. So then we have a system that is going to have very lax supervision.

There are plenty of conartists out there already taking advantage of the senior population. Wall Street has it's share of the unscrupulous that brush off unethical and reckless practices by convincing them selves that "IT"S JUST BUSINESS".

No I don't care if a bunch of people make billions of $$$$ cashing in on the vouchers for medicare, but I am concerned with the seniors that will purchase insurance with these vouchers that will be about as worthess as the paper the policies are written on.

I don't think Ryan will change his stripes just because he is running on the Romney ticket.

Anyone that thinks the office of vice president is not influential must have been asleep durring the Bush-Cheney years.

If you put party loyalty aside and look at this issue in a pure actualrial (business) prospective you will understand that these are very dangerous proposals for the seniors in this country. They may be very opportunistic for some Wall Street "out of the box" thinker that will disregaurd 200 years of statistics and end up paying you voucher money in saleries to CEOs, company vice presidents, assistant vice presidents, junior vice pressidents and I think you can get my drift.

[Devils Horse]

I don't disagree with your concerns for the elderly.

Nice job pointing out Mr Ryan's shortcomings with regard to Medicare, now let's see your analysis of Mr. Obama's new law which cuts into medicare to the tune of hundreds of billions. We'll be waiting...

You're right, the office of VP is very influential, just look at ole "He's gone put y'all back in chains" Joe Biden. Still having trouble believing even Biden could blurt that one out. Paul Ryan looks like Einstein compared to him. Come to think of it your average elementary schooler stacks up well against him.

Yep, Joe Biden, the Democrat party's number 2 man. You brought it up, deal with it.

[kygorski]

Yes he did cut monies out of medicare, why? from what I've read it was put back into another form of the same program.Now I dont know about you, but if I take 10 bucks out of my right pocket and put it into my left pocket is it lost? Look almost all the world has a form of health insurance through the government. this isn't something new, it was first proposed by Nixon, its going to happen sooner or later, if not president Ob. than president sanchez.

[kydonky]

I don't disagree with your concerns for the elderly.

Nice job pointing out Mr Ryan's shortcomings with regard to Medicare, now let's see your analysis of Mr. Obama's new law which cuts into medicare to the tune of hundreds of billions. We'll be waiting...

You're right, the office of VP is very influential, just look at ole "He's gone put y'all back in chains" Joe Biden. Still having trouble believing even Biden could blurt that one out. Paul Ryan looks like Einstein compared to him. Come to think of it your average elementary schooler stacks up well against him.

Yep, Joe Biden, the Democrat party's number 2 man. You brought it up, deal with it.

I think you may want to research a little deeper.

There is an outcry to cut spending, no taxes and on this board I have read 100s of rants about the charges hospitals and doctors charge.

The current reductions are reductions in the price paid for services not cutting the services. The saving are from the amount of payments to the doctors and the hospitals. So basically this administration is doing what 100s of posts on this board have asked for, reducing costs and managing expenses.

The middle class is disappearing fast. Wall Street is not out to help your standard of living or from what I can tell even support the good old USA. They would ship 1,000,000 jobs to Mexico in a heart beat if they thought it would bring in 1% more net income.

Some would argue that they are going to be the silver bullit to strengthen this country so they will vote for the business candidate. I hope we have learned a little from the 2008 financial meltdown that business is not the know all save all great leaders they are portrayed to be. Yes they do have a lot to offer but so do some very strong political leaders. This country produced Henry Ford, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs but also John Kennedy, Franklin Rosevelt, Abe Lincoln.

Hopefully we can get away from this one side or the other and realize we are all here in the US together.

[waterdog101]

I think you may want to research a little deeper.

There is an outcry to cut spending, no taxes and on this board I have read 100s of rants about the charges hospitals and doctors charge.

The current reductions are reductions in the price paid for services not cutting the services. The saving are from the amount of payments to the doctors and the hospitals. So basically this administration is doing what 100s of posts on this board have asked for, reducing costs and managing expenses.

The middle class is disappearing fast. Wall Street is not out to help your standard of living or from what I can tell even support the good old USA. They would ship 1,000,000 jobs to Mexico in a heart beat if they thought it would bring in 1% more net income.

Some would argue that they are going to be the silver bullit to strengthen this country so they will vote for the business candidate. I hope we have learned a little from the 2008 financial meltdown that business is not the know all save all great leaders they are portrayed to be. Yes they do have a lot to offer but so do some very strong political leaders. This country produced Henry Ford, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs but also John Kennedy, Franklin Rosevelt, Abe Lincoln.

Hopefully we can get away from this one side or the other and realize we are all here in the US together.

well said Donkey.

[Devils Horse]

I think you may want to research a little deeper.

There is an outcry to cut spending, no taxes and on this board I have read 100s of rants about the charges hospitals and doctors charge.

The current reductions are reductions in the price paid for services not cutting the services. The saving are from the amount of payments to the doctors and the hospitals. So basically this administration is doing what 100s of posts on this board have asked for, reducing costs and managing expenses.

The middle class is disappearing fast. Wall Street is not out to help your standard of living or from what I can tell even support the good old USA. They would ship 1,000,000 jobs to Mexico in a heart beat if they thought it would bring in 1% more net income.

Some would argue that they are going to be the silver bullit to strengthen this country so they will vote for the business candidate. I hope we have learned a little from the 2008 financial meltdown that business is not the know all save all great leaders they are portrayed to be. Yes they do have a lot to offer but so do some very strong political leaders. This country produced Henry Ford, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs but also John Kennedy, Franklin Rosevelt, Abe Lincoln.

Hopefully we can get away from this one side or the other and realize we are all here in the US together.

Agree. Well said.

It does however make me cautious when any democrat plays the 'we're all in this together' card. That usually means you dang well better start watching out for your rights and your wallet if you want to keep them.

The federal government must cut spending, they cannot continue to add another trillion to the deficit every year. Taxing the rich ain't gonna work, they don't have enough money. This is a cold hard fact, playing politics or singing Coombaya is not going to change it.

The problem with government health care is it's terrible, and terribly expensive. Where's the first place anyone in the world goes for serious medical attention if they have the means? Yep, the USA. Why do you suppose that is?

I would submit government issued health care has to be marginalized to make it financially feasible. In the US you need a hip replacement it happens. In the UK you wait months, even years, maybe it's even denied if your lifestyle isn't healthy enough for the bureaucrat making the decisions. Also the medical care once they get it, is sub par compared to ours.

My last word on Obamacare is it WILL be a financial disaster.

The ultimate problem we have in America is the mindset of the majority of people. Most believe it's the government's job to take care of us all. That is not what this country was founded on, and limitations on federal power were written into the constitution for that very reason.

Most of those provisions have been watered down by politicians and misinterpreted by judges to the point where most truly believe they cannot survive without the gargantuan entity the federal government has become. Unless that can be changed, this country will gravitate to socialism and collapse under it's own weight. History has proven this time and again.

In our society where the majority of all teachers, the press, and Hollyweed are 'compassionate' liberals, the socialist trend probably cannot be reversed. But it can hopefully be slowed down as long as there are some dinosaurs like me out there who believe most every washtub should stand on it's own feet.

Some need help, and nobody is better at charity than Americans. BTW fiscal conservatives are proven to be more generous to those in need than bleeding heart liberals. Libs want to take other people's money and give it away, they get a bit testy when it comes to giving up their own.

It's doubtful anyone's mind will be changed by the babbling in the internet blogoshpere, but it feels good to air it out anyway.

To hell with it, I'm going fishing tonight after work, and I'll be out there again tomorrow evening. Maybe I'll see y'all on the water.

[mhall]

Liberals........................waisting one mind at a time, no matter how long it takes!

Sigh

[Mean Morone]

MHall,


So Nixon was right?! Ok then, lets do it!

[mhall]

MHall,


So Nixon was right?! Ok then, lets do it!

LMAO....

Sorry for spelling wasting wrong to, lol....

[bassin_bug]

In the past I have tried to highlight how insurance works as a tool to spead financial risks.

Now we have Ryan as a VP nominee advocating abolishing Medicare and replacing it with a voucher program for seniors to purchase their own insurance.

So they will create an insurance pool that will have the highest medical cost. Anyone receiving Medicare now would be "pooled" into a group that are all 65 years and older or have chronic health problems that make them eligible for Medicare now.

So the other option is to pool these people in with their other policy holders. So then your health insurance carrier it going to add all of these high cost risks into the general company policies. You think health insurance is high now!!! Wait till this is enacted.

Medicare was established in a large part because most insurance companies would not insure the elderly and the elderly could not afford health care. So Medicare was established where you paid into it when you are young and hopefully healthy and you receive the benifit when you reach age 65. Everyone that qualifys for Social Security qualifys for Medicare.

So all of these insurance companies everyone complains about are going to oversee health care for all seniors. I wonder what your voucher will buy you.

On top of all that you have a party that STRONGLY advocates no government in business and no government regulations. So then we have a system that is going to have very lax supervision.

There are plenty of conartists out there already taking advantage of the senior population. Wall Street has it's share of the unscrupulous that brush off unethical and reckless practices by convincing them selves that "IT"S JUST BUSINESS".

No I don't care if a bunch of people make billions of $$$$ cashing in on the vouchers for medicare, but I am concerned with the seniors that will purchase insurance with these vouchers that will be about as worthess as the paper the policies are written on.

I don't think Ryan will change his stripes just because he is running on the Romney ticket.

Anyone that thinks the office of vice president is not influential must have been asleep durring the Bush-Cheney years.

If you put party loyalty aside and look at this issue in a pure actualrial (business) prospective you will understand that these are very dangerous proposals for the seniors in this country. They may be very opportunistic for some Wall Street "out of the box" thinker that will disregaurd 200 years of statistics and end up paying you voucher money in saleries to CEOs, company vice presidents, assistant vice presidents, junior vice pressidents and I think you can get my drift.

When Obama's healthcare package first came out, there were rumors flying around that said people with catastrophic illness would not receive expensive medication or extended care if the Obamacare Bill was passed. In other words, they would just be allowed to die. That was not true. When Obama first released the bill he had used the word "dhimmitude" on Page 107. Someone reading the bill discovered the word and realized that it was an Islamic word used in Shari'ah law. They knew it was not an American word, nor a commonly used word, and started to research the meaning of it. I won't explain it other than to say that, if it had not been removed from the healthcare bill every Muslim in this country would have received special privileges like we have never heard of before.

After the word 'dhimmitude' was removed from the bill, Snopes said that the word was false and was not used in the bill which was accurate because it had been removed. It was originally used on page 107 before it was removed. You might be interested in reading this:
http://askmarion.wordpress.com/2011/...-does-it-mean/

[kydonky]

When Obama's healthcare package first came out, there were rumors flying around that said people with catastrophic illness would not receive expensive medication or extended care if the Obamacare Bill was passed. In other words, they would just be allowed to die. That was not true. When Obama first released the bill he had used the word "dhimmitude" on Page 107. Someone reading the bill discovered the word and realized that it was an Islamic word used in Shari'ah law. They knew it was not an American word, nor a commonly used word, and started to research the meaning of it. I won't explain it other than to say that, if it had not been removed from the healthcare bill every Muslim in this country would have received special privileges like we have never heard of before.

After the word 'dhimmitude' was removed from the bill, Snopes said that the word was false and was not used in the bill which was accurate because it had been removed. It was originally used on page 107 before it was removed. You might be interested in reading this:
http://askmarion.wordpress.com/2011/...-does-it-mean/

This is one ove the Urban Legands that is completely false. No where in the term dhimmitude used in the health care bill.

So the claim is that is was there and then it was not or taken out. First the bill was not written by Pres. Obama, it was written by legislators in the house and senate (not Obama) He did sign the bill into law.

I am not sure who Marion is. I have never heard of askmarion before. Why do they not cite sources for their information?the information?

You cite snopes as one of your sources yet snopes says they have found this rumor to be fasle.

Urban Legands.com has addressed this clain and has found it to be false. Factcheck.org research finds this claim false..

Even the American Consevative Daily (a coservative website) has found this to be absolutely false.

For your benifit I will copy post their address to the issue.


According to Wikipedia, “Dhimmitude is a neologism . . . denoting an attitude of concession, surrender and appeasement towards Islamic demands [which] literally means protected and refers to a non-Muslim subject of a sharia law state.”Â
What makes dhimmitude relevant is that there are reports that the word and the concept are incorporated in PPACA along with Obamacare exemptions and exceptions for Muslims on page 107 of the law.   (See below for that page in its entirety and see http://bit.ly/hRakSK and http://bit.ly/cBE7rd.)
In point of fact, it turns out that it’s a hoax, an urban legend perpetrated by some overly-zealous, overly-imaginative Obamacare opponent who, for reasons of his own–and possibly driven to the brink of madness by the true catastrophe that is PPACA–fabricated the whole scam. There are no specific religious exclusions nor is there mention of dhimmitude on page 107 or elsewhere. Â

Bug you have to be careful playing on the internet.

[kydonky]

When Obama's healthcare package first came out, there were rumors flying around that said people with catastrophic illness would not receive expensive medication or extended care if the Obamacare Bill was passed. In other words, they would just be allowed to die. That was not true. When Obama first released the bill he had used the word "dhimmitude" on Page 107. Someone reading the bill discovered the word and realized that it was an Islamic word used in Shari'ah law. They knew it was not an American word, nor a commonly used word, and started to research the meaning of it. I won't explain it other than to say that, if it had not been removed from the healthcare bill every Muslim in this country would have received special privileges like we have never heard of before.

After the word 'dhimmitude' was removed from the bill, Snopes said that the word was false and was not used in the bill which was accurate because it had been removed. It was originally used on page 107 before it was removed. You might be interested in reading this:
http://askmarion.wordpress.com/2011/...-does-it-mean/

Bassin Bug. I was out in the barn and I found a sack of Magic Beans!!! The lable on the sack said that these beans would protect you from dhimmitude if eaten within 7 days of a full moon.

If you would like to be on the safe side I will offer you these beans for only $850.00. This is less than the cost of a years worth of health insurance.