Libs....how is this not politically motivated

Read the article, and then watch the cspan hearing. This lady has been in business for 20 years, and never had a visit from any government agency.

[url]http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/06/congressman-tried-to-shut-down-a-tea-party-leader-at-thursdays-hearing-thats-when-a-gop-rep-showed-he-wasnt-having-any-of-it/[/url]


After she applied for 501c status (tax exempt) for a different business, her primary business was visited by:

ATF,
OSHA,
FBI,
IRS.

About 30 times over a 2 year period.

Now, in full disclosure, OSHA, did find violations that they deemed non critical, yet they still attempted to put her out of business with fines.

YOU TELL ME........how is this not politically motivated.

AND the Democrat ASS HAT in the video is unreal.

Later,

Geo

I'm not exactly a "lib". BUT 501C status is also a favorite dodge for right wing voters. Its just as dangerous Can you explain the benefit of a Georgia voter, donating to a PAC who funds a candidate in Iowa? Money and special interests are buying the federal government. And now they are going to buy selective state governments. I'm a little too old to"see" the benefits of that. But you guys????

[QUOTE=kygorski;528073]I'm not exactly a "lib". BUT 501C status is also a favorite dodge for right wing voters. Its just as dangerous Can you explain the benefit of a Georgia voter, donating to a PAC who funds a candidate in Iowa? Money and special interests are buying the federal government. And now they are going to buy selective state governments. I'm a little too old to"see" the benefits of that. But you guys????[/QUOTE]

Uh......don't change the subject.....

When you guys don't like the question you deflect.

[url]http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance[/url]

Spending for Romney and Obama was pretty much the same. PAC, BIG Donor, little donor, etc, etc,.. They both spent about about a billion dollars telling lies.

I think Romney lied less than Obama.....but that is just me.

Later,

Geo

This was beaten to death last year, and it was the IRS that was the supposed villain. o what became of it? If politics is all that guys can think of, it must be a shallow existence you thrive in.Geo. there are a few bright spots in the world, and many in this country.Dont turn into that other ky guy.

[QUOTE=kygorski;528073]I'm not exactly a "lib". BUT 501C status is also a favorite dodge for right wing voters. Its just as dangerous Can you explain the benefit of a Georgia voter, donating to a PAC who funds a candidate in Iowa? Money and special interests are buying the federal government. And now they are going to buy selective state governments. I'm a little too old to"see" the benefits of that. But you guys????[/QUOTE]

This has been done for years by the unions and the Supreme court ruled that businesses and individuals could also do this through super pac's. If you remember Obama called them out on this in the state of the union address as the democrats do not want a level playing field. So the IRS stepped in and kept the conservative movements from getting 501C status CAN YOU CONNECT THE DOTS? The difference from the unions buying candidates is they are doing this with out the permission of their members where a 501C pac is strictly voluntary.

[QUOTE=kygorski;528084]This was beaten to death last year, and it was the IRS that was the supposed villain. o what became of it? If politics is all that guys can think of, it must be a shallow existence you thrive in.Geo. there are a few bright spots in the world, and many in this country.Dont turn into that other ky guy.[/QUOTE]

You should be extremely SCARED at the path we're taking.

From my understanding, you're pretty much dependent on services provided to you. GRANTED I believe every RED CENT you earned.....assuming what you've stated about yourself is true.

BUT, that doesn't change the fact that we're headed down an unsustainable path, and one day, it will not be there. WHAT then......you willing to TAKE what was promised to you?

I'm just saying. Sticking your head in the ground and thinking all will be ok is not cool.

What people simply don't realize is that we're spending way more than ever.........When you spend more than revenues........significantly more than revenues, you are setting the country up for failure.

Here is a great link for Heritage about federal spending. It is a conservative link so it leans right, but the DATA is spot on.

[url]http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/08/federal-spending-by-the-numbers-2013[/url]

Later

Geo

Ever belonged to union? Then you know that PAC contributions are strictly voluntary. the contributions are in cash, and you get either a ticket or a tag that shows you participated. mployers don't collect those donations. A local that wants to donate to a Pac must do it during an open meeting of the members. the secretary treasurer will then disperse the voted on funds. It must be a simple majority vote.Most local officers do not get paid, they get re-imburesed for proven expenses. I was bonded and and insured. Unions are just as scrutinized as any organization, even more.I was supenaed three times by the NLRB,twice on charges[cleared] and once as a witness.Only in one case was the other party identified. I'm talking about local unions, the international unions probably follow the same rules.If you think I'm blowing smoke up yer butt, ask a union member[if you can find one now adays].

I am living on others earnings now.My pension can be terminated, and maybe even SSI will be cut. What then? I'll starve or my children if able will take care of me.When I wanted to live beyond my means, there were credit cards. Under the present circumstances, can pay my debts, I can no longer enjoy the whims I used to take for granted.I never believed in a free lunch.But if the bottom fell out of my life, what would be the outcome in your future? I paid for crops that were not grown, for educating children I didn't have. For fire and police protection I rarely used. I've paid medical expenses for people that weren't even supposed to be in this country. I had little choice in the matter. I'm a third generation American, and have to support the slaves brought here by other generations. What I'm saying is this. If I go down the tubes, it will be with a lot of company.

[QUOTE=kygorski;528135]I am living on others earnings now.My pension can be terminated, and maybe even SSI will be cut. What then? I'll starve or my children if able will take care of me.When I wanted to live beyond my means, there were credit cards. Under the present circumstances, can pay my debts, I can no longer enjoy the whims I used to take for granted.I never believed in a free lunch.But if the bottom fell out of my life, what would be the outcome in your future? I paid for crops that were not grown, for educating children I didn't have. For fire and police protection I rarely used. I've paid medical expenses for people that weren't even supposed to be in this country. I had little choice in the matter. I'm a third generation American, and have to support the slaves brought here by other generations. What I'm saying is this. If I go down the tubes, it will be with a lot of company.[/QUOTE]

Yea I definitely year ya. And that was my point......if you do go down the tubes, it means **** has really hit the fan, and if the **** hits the fan, that will be a painful, painful day.

Folks think the great depression was bad. Can you imagine just how bad it will be when ALL those folks on food stamps, wic, free housing, paid gas and heat, Obama phones are told to do without.

WOW.

Later,

Geo

[QUOTE=kygorski;528134]Ever belonged to union? Then you know that PAC contributions are strictly voluntary. the contributions are in cash, and you get either a ticket or a tag that shows you participated. mployers don't collect those donations. A local that wants to donate to a Pac must do it during an open meeting of the members. the secretary treasurer will then disperse the voted on funds. It must be a simple majority vote.Most local officers do not get paid, they get re-imburesed for proven expenses. I was bonded and and insured. Unions are just as scrutinized as any organization, even more.I was supenaed three times by the NLRB,twice on charges[cleared] and once as a witness.Only in one case was the other party identified. I'm talking about local unions, the international unions probably follow the same rules.If you think I'm blowing smoke up yer butt, ask a union member[if you can find one now adays].[/QUOTE]

I'm not a union member........never been, NEVER will be.

I donate to a PAC, and have always contributed to a PAC, That contribution is through work and shows up on my pay stub just like my 401k contribution. Just like my donation to United Way, just like my donation to Fund for the Arts.

The only difference between those I listed and the PAC is that the PAC is not pretax. **** shame too :) .

My point, maybe in the past the PAC was done the way you're talking about but I GUARANTEE you things have changed.

later,

Geo

I omagine that those are voluntary contributions.I know that union dues can be taken from your check if its part of the contract.the trade unions dues are paid by the employee in most cases, because they are contract workers.But I'm darned certain that PAC contribs need to be just that voluntary. My esop were deducted from my pay as per agreement. Un like the constitution a union charter guarantees you the right to vote. usually at a meeting.I belonged to USW of America local that had over 4000 members. At a meeting, 200 present was a great night.When something came up on the floor it usually came to a vote, later folks who never attended a meeting complained about it.There were no provisions for balancing the masses, it was simple majority.

[QUOTE=kygorski;528152]I omagine that those are voluntary contributions.I know that union dues can be taken from your check if its part of the contract.the trade unions dues are paid by the employee in most cases, because they are contract workers.But I'm darned certain that PAC contribs need to be just that voluntary. My esop were deducted from my pay as per agreement. Un like the constitution a union charter guarantees you the right to vote. usually at a meeting.I belonged to USW of America local that had over 4000 members. At a meeting, 200 present was a great night.When something came up on the floor it usually came to a vote, later folks who never attended a meeting complained about it.There were no provisions for balancing the masses, it was simple majority.[/QUOTE]

It is completely voluntary...just managed by my companies Payroll dept.

After this post, I went out and looked at all the stuff the PAC I contribute to uses my money for.

I was quite surprised by the choices. Some I agree with some not so much, but they tend to agree with positions I have taken........All in all I was OK with it.

Later,

Geo