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[url]http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/12/technology/germany-hydrogen-powered-train/index.html[/url]
They already have built new submarines with fuel cells that run them under the water. Now we have a new type of train that will run on hydrogen and oxygen and produce only water as a by product. Zero pollution.
California residents who use solar power are being asked to turn off the grids for short periods of time. I guess that its so succesfull that the generating plants are having problems with less usage.supposedly california ranks third in the world for solar power, Germany and china are ahead of it.So what are we going to do, with these upcoming mountains of "clean coal"?
[QUOTE=kygorski;561476]California residents who use solar power are being asked to turn off the grids for short periods of time. I guess that its so succesfull that the generating plants are having problems with less usage.supposedly california ranks third in the world for solar power, Germany and china are ahead of it.So what are we going to do, with these upcoming mountains of "clean coal"?[/QUOTE] they can send all the coal to ky and burn it, if I remember right most said Obama was crazy for wanting clean solar power.
,[url]http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-rooftop-solar-power-20160128-story.html[/url]
[QUOTE=waterdog101;561487]they can send all the coal to ky and burn it, if I remember right most said Obama was crazy for wanting clean solar power.
,[url]http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-rooftop-solar-power-20160128-story.html[/url][/QUOTE] Just to make all the facts known coal is a very viable option for producing hydrogen in large quantities at centralized plants. The United States has enough coal to make all of the hydrogen that the economy could need for more than 200 years. That said, which POTUS deserves credit for promoting the use of hydrogen fuel cells? It's not Obama but being true to the Obama style of politics we can give the credit for that to his predecessor President Bush who announced in February 2003 the FreedomCAR and the Hydrogen Fuel Initiative (HFI) which increased federal funding for hydrogen technologies and fuel cell research, development, and demonstration (RD&D) to $1.7 billion over five years. With that increase in funding, the HFI accelerated the pace of RD&D efforts focused on achieving specific targets that would enable hydrogen and fuel cell technology readiness in the 2015 timeframe. With President Bush's HFI program and President Trump's insistence on preserving the coal mining industry the future of energy independence in the United States looks bright and us folks in this part of the country won't have to be dependent on western states that are blessed with an abundance of cloudless days which is crucial for economically efficient solar energy production.
[QUOTE=sweetwater;561494]Just to make all the facts known coal is a very viable option for producing hydrogen in large quantities at centralized plants. The United States has enough coal to make all of the hydrogen that the economy could need for more than 200 years. That said, which POTUS deserves credit for promoting the use of hydrogen fuel cells? It's not Obama but being true to the Obama style of politics we can give the credit for that to his predecessor President Bush who announced in February 2003 the FreedomCAR and the Hydrogen Fuel Initiative (HFI) which increased federal funding for hydrogen technologies and fuel cell research, development, and demonstration (RD&D) to $1.7 billion over five years. With that increase in funding, the HFI accelerated the pace of RD&D efforts focused on achieving specific targets that would enable hydrogen and fuel cell technology readiness in the 2015 timeframe. With President Bush's HFI program and President Trump's insistence on preserving the coal mining industry the future of energy independence in the United States looks bright and us folks in this part of the country won't have to be dependent on western states that are blessed with an abundance of cloudless days which is crucial for economically efficient solar energy production.[/QUOTE]
Why in the H would we want to use that dirty coal to do something that solar energy and cleaner natural gas can do? We need to bury the coal industry under about 100 ft of dirt where it belongs. IMHO. I'm sick of breathing air that's been polluted with that nasty dirty coal emissions.
Coal miners should be sick and tired of getting all dirty and breathing coal dust all day long. Geologist can learn to do something else other than to find and dig up that thirty coal. They can learn to design and install cleaner energy resources or go look for gold and diamonds instead of coal.
I worked in the coal fields one day and it was the nastiest job that I ever did. I'd rather sample sewers than dig in the coal fields. And I've done both for a living. Coal is nothing but the dirtiest and nastiest crap in the world. We would be better off burning natural gas.
Solar panels can be used to make electricity that can be use to make Hydrogen and Oxygen which can be stored and used in fuel cells to make electricity or stored in batteries for later use. We don't need coal anymore. Only the coal producers need up to burn coal so that they can continue to make money off us. We don't need them anymore. And the sooner we expand the use of solar energy the better.
Here in IN the coal people have lobbied to get rid of solar energy by getting rid of the subsidies that are paid to people who use solar panels and sell their electricity back to the power plants. This is Senate bill 309 which I hope that the Governor vetoes. He won't but that's just how things are here in coal country. Rigged in favor of the coal producers and power plants that burn coal now.
[QUOTE=Moveon;561508]Why in the H would we want to use that dirty coal to do something that solar energy and cleaner natural gas can do? We need to bury the coal industry under about 100 ft of dirt where it belongs. IMHO. I'm sick of breathing air that's been polluted with that nasty dirty coal emissions.
Coal miners should be sick and tired of getting all dirty and breathing coal dust all day long. Geologist can learn to do something else other than to find and dig up that thirty coal. They can learn to design and install cleaner energy resources or go look for gold and diamonds instead of coal.
I worked in the coal fields one day and it was the nastiest job that I ever did. I'd rather sample sewers than dig in the coal fields. And I've done both for a living. Coal is nothing but the dirtiest and nastiest crap in the world. We would be better off burning natural gas.
Solar panels can be used to make electricity that can be use to make Hydrogen and Oxygen which can be stored and used in fuel cells to make electricity or stored in batteries for later use. We don't need coal anymore. Only the coal producers need up to burn coal so that they can continue to make money off us. We don't need them anymore. And the sooner we expand the use of solar energy the better.
Here in IN the coal people have lobbied to get rid of solar energy by getting rid of the subsidies that are paid to people who use solar panels and sell their electricity back to the power plants. This is Senate bill 309 which I hope that the Governor vetoes. He won't but that's just how things are here in coal country. Rigged in favor of the coal producers and power plants that burn coal now.[/QUOTE]You don't burn coal to produce hydrogen.
[url]https://energy.gov/fe/science-innovation/clean-coal-research/hydrogen-coal[/url]
[QUOTE=sweetwater;561509]You don't burn coal to produce hydrogen.
[URL]https://energy.gov/fe/science-innovation/clean-coal-research/hydrogen-coal[/URL][/QUOTE] if they burn coal or get Hydrogen from coal by gasification , they still end up with a lot of carbon dioxide poison.
helped put 2 kids in college, and a chance to retire at 58 years of age. We used natural gas to make H2, we also handled LH2, as long as natural gas remains cheap and plentiful it is the cheapest way to produce H2.As a fuel for automobiles, I'd opt for either natural gas or gasoline.Coal gasification is expensive, and dirty, and don't kid yourselves, the user pays for it, and the states also give taxes, and other incentives to make it work.Texas is developing vast wind farms, Indiana has several, alternative energy is only as good as the infastruture to utilize it, and our country is sort of letting that go, that could be a major didaster some day.
[QUOTE=kygorski;561476]California residents who use solar power are being asked to turn off the grids for short periods of time. I guess that its so succesfull that the generating plants are having problems with less usage.supposedly california ranks third in the world for solar power, Germany and china are ahead of it.So what are we going to do, with these upcoming mountains of "clean coal"?[/QUOTE]
Yep!
Big companies and gubment don't like change...especially when it means they lose a stranglehold on people. Imagine cars getting 100 miles a gallon or worse yet millions of cars not using gas for fuel. What would happen to all that tax money they were accustomed/relied upon? Naturally it would dry up and new taxes would be put in place. Don't get me wrong I like the idea of technology and legit cleaner fuel sources but it's not an easy transition. Taxes will go up to "fuel" the other tax reliant programs. I think we discussed it before and it goes for any industry.
[url]http://www.kpbs.org/news/2015/feb/17/california-plans-move-away-gas-tax-road-usage-char/[/url]
There have been taxes for centurys. There will AWAYS be taxes, and the poor will pay them, one way or another, it's human nature.Thems what got, get, It's a basic fact of government. the well to do, govern,whether by politics, or force, and they don't pay for the "governering".For example those coal gasification plants, states give tax relief, states use eminent domain for land, and the users pay for the product, they helped subsidize,
I sat on a committee that helped to kill the Synfuel plants.
Only fools would burn coal to produce hydrogen. Hydrogen can be extracted from water using electricity and the electricity can be made using solar panels or wind mills. No need to burn that dirty stinking coal.
[QUOTE=sweetwater;561509]You don't burn coal to produce hydrogen.
[url]https://energy.gov/fe/science-innovation/clean-coal-research/hydrogen-coal[/url][/QUOTE]
The Hebrews paid taxes to the Egyptian King in the form of forced labor. But they were freed from their burden and escaped Egypt.
I'm against unfair taxes. I think everyone should be against unfair taxes.
Back in the Early 1980's the State of KY tried to build about six Synfuel (coal gasification plants) in Western KY. They were all scraped before they even started the design phase. They were not economical. The pollution that would have been produced was unacceptable. The waste (left over coal) would have been excessive just to get some hydrogen gas out of the dirty coal.
It's cheaper and more environmentally friendly to produce power from sunlight and wind and water movement.
[QUOTE=kygorski;561536]There have been taxes for centurys. There will AWAYS be taxes, and the poor will pay them, one way or another, it's human nature.Thems what got, get, It's a basic fact of government. the well to do, govern,whether by politics, or force, and they don't pay for the "governering".For example those coal gasification plants, states give tax relief, states use eminent domain for land, and the users pay for the product, they helped subsidize,[/QUOTE]