some details on health care bill

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[FONT=Arial][SIZE=5][COLOR=black]I know this is long, but it's only a small part of the actual bill. Can you imagine what else is in the bill?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][URL="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2300451/posts"][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff][B]Little gems from the Health Care Bill[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]* Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
* Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
* Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
* Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
* Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
* Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
* Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=red][B]* Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]* Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
* Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
* Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
* Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
* Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
* Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
* Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
* Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
* Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
* Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
* Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR * Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
* Page 167: Any individual who doesn't have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
* Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
* Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=red][B]* Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]* Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
* Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
* Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
* Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
* Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
* Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
* Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
* Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
* Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
* Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]* Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
* Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
* Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
* Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
* Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
* Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
* Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
* Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=red][B]* Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
* Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]* Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
* Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
* Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
* Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
* Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Kinda hard to read. I'll try the link...oops it is broken right now. Must be gubment workers..:)

Assuming it's true (too lazy to snopes it), that's some of the scariest stuff I've ever read.

Any of you lefties going to weigh in on this?

Does anyone besides me wonder why they keep referring to "health care" but actually are talking about "health insurance"? They are two different things you know...

Did you find the part where they are slippin' ACORN some money?

Still waiting for some input from Obama supporters.

Hello?

[QUOTE=Devils Horse;377797]Still waiting for some input from Obama supporters.

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I would not consider myself one of Obama's biggest fans, but here is one view from the left. First, The bill is not complete and will go through a number of revisions before it is put to a vote. I'm glad that it was not rushed and forced through before the break. Congress now has a chance to read it and consult with their consistuents before coming back to hash out the details. If they can actually work together (and read the bill!), it will be a good thing. I hold out hope that this will become a non-partisan bill where dems and repubs work out the details and come up with something that is workable for all. I'm completely over the partisan BS that has surrounded this bill along with the amount of BS that has been spread concerning parts of the bill. Both dems and repubs have been guilty of this.

As someone else mentioned, I'm also concerned that this is becoming a health insurance bill rather than a reform bill. The latter is what is needed most. In addition, the added expense of the bill ($500 billion+ depending on whos figures you believe) over the long-term is something that we cannot afford right now. I also do not like the idea of a government run insurance company, even if it is optional. I've heard a number of good things about medicare (another govt run insurance co), so may be its not all bad.

Andrew

This Bill is GARBAGE! It has been garbage from the start and will continue to be garbage to the end. It was concieved by complete luinitics whom have no earthy idea what they are doing.

Okay Andrew weighed in. Pretty weak...falling back on the ole 'hey Obama ain't MY guy' and 'it'll go thru some revisions' soft shoe, but he's off the hook. After all who can defend the indefensible? Some good points Andrew, "read the bill"..."not rushed and forced"..."500+ billion". Careful, you're starting to sound like a right wing wacko mob member.

Pontooner? Stratosjoe? Anyone?

Heeeelloooooo?

The whole government provided health care/insurance concept absolutely bites, and it seems we all know it.

Ok, so you repubs don't agree with the bill. Before you get all "kill it now" over it, bear in mind that it is not finalized. Plenty of changes that could be made to it before it even comes up for a vote. So, how would you change it? Or if you started from scratch, what would you do. So far all I've heard from the right is that its a dem bill, so we don't like it. Fine, fix it.

DH, I was saying the same thing about Obama before he was elected. Why would you expect any difference now?

Andrew

You guys are making me laugh my tail off.:D Chicken little wasnt as scared as some of you! Health care is not falling just as the sky is not. This bill has not even been debated but a few days. A few of You crack me up LOL.:)

No it is not been debated yet. But, why waist the time. We can't afford it working people don't want it at least the ones I have talked to. This bill is just like the stimulus package. It sounds great but after all it did not work. This bill sounds great but, when you look at the cost we can't afford it.

Politicians need to learn to spend less than what they take from us. Look what giving free education and health care has done for California. Ryan.