Setting Time Limits for Hunting and Fishing May Help Maintain Wildlife Populations

Wow, this would really be bad...

[url]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100513162748.htm[/url]

I wonder what population of animals they are talking about? It's not Whitetails. I thought the corrections are already being made for Elk and Bison. Not sure what the status is of Moose populations. Don't we already have something like this by changing quotas? I know it's not the same but seems like it's working now.

I see things like this and I can't help but be pessimistic after all it was the almighty top world scientists who tagged global warming er I mean climate change.

Stinks of anti-hunting groups to me.

im already on limited amount of time i can spend fishing. if my time on the water was cut anymore, i would be better off giving it all up.

I stopped reading here: " Setting limits on the number of days allowed for hunting and fishing rather than the number of trophies would be a more effective way to ensure continued supply and to prevent extinction."

Extinction under todays regualtions? Please, this "Ecologist" is a clown.

"Extinction under todays regualtions? Please, this "Ecologist" is a clown."

-said the Gulf Coast shrimp farmer two weeks prior to the spill.
-said the corrupt Kenyan Game Warden who could charge 35,000USD for a license to hunt Rhinos in the 1950's.

How'd that work out for ya?

Sorry, I didn't read the actual article since it is in publication and not released, but I read the blurb and a few of the posts and thought the quote above would be a good one to clip out and give to the grandchildren's children in about 50 or 60 years. Population ecology and conservation are not based solely on regulations but on ALL of the factors that could contribute to a species decline, or propagation. This study looks as though it is hypothesizing models for hunting and fishing regulations that could contribute, along with other natural and unnatural environmental factors, to long-term sustainable opportunities (i.e. after you and I are dead.) Weird that this would be frowned upon, and weirder still to frown upon it because it comes from the same scientists that lay-people would turn to when species (especially recreational species) are in decline. I do not think that the ecologists that put forth ideas about the reintroduction of Elk into KY is a joke and you better believe that hunter or not, scientist or not, he or she was going to test which models would be the most effective and most sustainable in the long-term and then apply it to further scrutiny and analysis.

Global warming and climate change are not population ecology, but do effect population ecology, species distribution, and conservation. That's science 101, not "Top Scientist" material.

Extinction in this sense does not mean gone forever, as in dinosaur or dodo extinction. One looks at the environments, habitats, and ranges of animals over time to see shifts in the species distribution and population structures. Many species have become extinct and endangered in our lifetime, but many are extinct from their historical geographic range. This is called extirpation, or local extinction.

Hasn't the hunting management of the Whitetails and Turkey been responsible for their population explosion? The sky isn't falling....

[QUOTE=ON3 3Y3D WILLI3;415188]"Extinction under todays regualtions? Please, this "Ecologist" is a clown."

-said the Gulf Coast shrimp farmer two weeks prior to the spill.
-said the corrupt Kenyan Game Warden who could charge 35,000USD for a license to hunt Rhinos in the 1950's.

How'd that work out for ya?

Sorry, I didn't read the actual article since it is in publication and not released, but I read the blurb and a few of the posts and thought the quote above would be a good one to clip out and give to the grandchildren's children in about 50 or 60 years. Population ecology and conservation are not based solely on regulations but on ALL of the factors that could contribute to a species decline, or propagation. This study looks as though it is hypothesizing models for hunting and fishing regulations that could contribute, along with other natural and unnatural environmental factors, to long-term sustainable opportunities (i.e. after you and I are dead.) Weird that this would be frowned upon, and weirder still to frown upon it because it comes from the same scientists that lay-people would turn to when species (especially recreational species) are in decline. I do not think that the ecologists that put forth ideas about the reintroduction of Elk into KY is a joke and you better believe that hunter or not, scientist or not, he or she was going to test which models would be the most effective and most sustainable in the long-term and then apply it to further scrutiny and analysis.

Global warming and climate change are not population ecology, but do effect population ecology, species distribution, and conservation. That's science 101, not "Top Scientist" material.

Extinction in this sense does not mean gone forever, as in dinosaur or dodo extinction. One looks at the environments, habitats, and ranges of animals over time to see shifts in the species distribution and population structures. Many species have become extinct and endangered in our lifetime, but many are extinct from their historical geographic range. This is called extirpation, or local extinction.[/QUOTE]

Comparing the gulf coast spill to the extinction of say whitetail deer is apples to matchbox cars. Obviusly, now that the oil spill happened they are going to try and save of much aquatic life as they can and I would assume that the wildife biologist will adjust things accordingly.

Also, there was no "ecologist" involved in the elk reintroduction. Sound wildlife management is what brought back the populations of whitetails, turkey, elk and to an exten bear to this state alone.

BTW, we already have time limits. They are called hunting seasons. If it was ever needed, we would have fishing seasons as well like the do up north and out west. We also have these things called bag limits that can be adjusted as well, i.e rezoning some counties for deer due the the EHD outbreak of a couple of years ago.

There is no "sound wildlife management" without ecology and ecologists. There is no Wildlife Management B.S., M.S., or Ph. D without ecology and ecologists.

[url]http://www.ca.uky.edu/forestry/maehrelk.php[/url]

[url]http://www.jstor.org/pss/3802704[/url]

[url]http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118799763/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0[/url]

We need to look at some of these things realisticaly.We put slot limits on fish, works for awhile, what makes it not work is no one keeps the smaller fish, its then a matter of forage.Hunting, we have gun,bow, black powder, and there is talk now of a strangle em season. But many guys only want trophys, so the runts are left to breeed. The canada goose was almost extinct, now its a gamble launching your boat in some places because they can get agressive, plus they are corrupting many small lakes and ponds. The snow goose, once rare, TX let the guys remove the 3 shot plug and increased the bag limits. But who knows what the final out come of the gulf oil spill will be. Wait till the spin makers have their turn, we'll be sold it was a good thing.As there are more and more people, some thing has to give, floods take tolls because folks tend to move to unstable areas, paved acres cannot absorb water. And we dont know the effects of global warming, common sense says the more of us, the more problems we create, and trhen theres nature, volcanos can snuff us out in time.Guess nothing is immortal.