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I'm only asking, because the Administration at first stated it was a LOCALIZED issue a SINGLE OFFICE in Ohio.
Then Lerner, who is still on the payroll takes the 5th.
AND NOW, we find out that Holly Paz, an IRS supervisor in Washington DC personally scrutinized TEA-Party applications.
Where is the OUTRAGE. Guys, this is scary stuff if you ask me. I sure hope it doesn't get swept under the rug.
Later,
Geo
[QUOTE=GeoFisher;516301]I'm only asking, because the Administration at first stated it was a LOCALIZED issue a SINGLE OFFICE in Ohio.
Then Lerner, who is still on the payroll takes the 5th.
AND NOW, we find out that Holly Paz, an IRS supervisor in Washington DC personally scrutinized TEA-Party applications.
Where is the OUTRAGE. Guys, this is scary stuff if you ask me. I sure hope it doesn't get swept under the rug.
Later,
Geo[/QUOTE]
BTW......Holly Paz is also an Obama donor............hm........coincidence, I DON'T THINK SO.........
[I]"She reportedly testified that she believed "tea party" was being used by Cincinnati IRS officials not specifically to refer to tea party groups, but generically to refer to all of the targeted groups, saying, "since the first case that came up to Washington happened to have that name, it appeared to me that that's what they were calling it that as a shorthand, because the first case had been that.""
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If she actually believes that, she has to be the most IGNORANT, foolish, stupid person in the history of the IRS.......WOW.
I call LIAR.
Later,
Geo
I rarely if ever watch the Big 3 network news so I really can't comment if they are covering this story or not.
Myself?? I'm completely outraged at how all levels of the Federal Govt. are "attacking and solving" the problem at the I.R.S. To top that, the IRS will soon implement the Affordable Healthcare Act and all the ramifications that it covers.
I don't trust the Whitehouse. I don't trust the Justice Department. I don't trust the NSA. I don't trust the entire D.C. environment. Scandal and abuse, one after the other, and only a few of the voters are concerned.
It seems that every agency that reports to the Whitehouse has adopted the standard Chicago political strategy of attacking anyone and everyone that disagrees with them.
I'm usually not a doom and gloom sort of person but I am truly concerned for this once great nation and its future.
Our freedoms are quickly being eroded and attacked. Some of them started under Bush but this administration has pushed them over the top with no return to sanity in sight.
So whats new? The IRS has always been the "sword of damaclese?? held by the white house. Phone taps? remember JEH,[hoover].How about the patriot act? American freedoms are surrenderd every day for other folks causes. Seat belts,helmets, no smoking.Roving road blocks for traffic violations. Where you guys been?
[QUOTE=GeoFisher;516301]I'm only asking, because the Administration at first stated it was a LOCALIZED issue a SINGLE OFFICE in Ohio.
Then Lerner, who is still on the payroll takes the 5th.
AND NOW, we find out that Holly Paz, an IRS supervisor in Washington DC personally scrutinized TEA-Party applications.
Where is the OUTRAGE. Guys, this is scary stuff if you ask me. I sure hope it doesn't get swept under the rug.
Later,
Geo[/QUOTE]
Man I have lost faith in the system and I do believe it will get pushed aside. Maybe some people get reprimanded but anything more than that would surprise me beyond belief. The folks in charge have dodged bullets that would have killed anyone else. I agree its scary but all I can do is watch and shake my head.
[QUOTE=DJD;516310]Man I have lost faith in the system and I do believe it will get pushed aside. Maybe some people get reprimanded but anything more than that would surprise me beyond belief. The folks in charge have dodged bullets that would have killed anyone else. I agree its scary but all I can do is watch and shake my head.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly how I feel, would have phrased it almost identical...
You have to admire how the White House is deflecting criticism.
"We didn't know nothing about nothing. We're not crooks, we're just stupid and uniformed." AND IT'S WORKING:mad:
[QUOTE=Tyme2fish;516303]I rarely if ever watch the Big 3 network news so I really can't comment if they are covering this story or not.
Myself?? I'm completely outraged at how all levels of the Federal Govt. are "attacking and solving" the problem at the I.R.S. To top that, the IRS will soon implement the Affordable Healthcare Act and all the ramifications that it covers.
I don't trust the Whitehouse. I don't trust the Justice Department. I don't trust the NSA. I don't trust the entire D.C. environment. Scandal and abuse, one after the other, and only a few of the voters are concerned.
It seems that every agency that reports to the Whitehouse has adopted the standard Chicago political strategy of attacking anyone and everyone that disagrees with them.
I'm usually not a doom and gloom sort of person but I am truly concerned for this once great nation and its future.
Our freedoms are quickly being eroded and attacked. Some of them started under Bush but this administration has pushed them over the top with no return to sanity in sight.[/QUOTE]
Tyme I think this will explain it.
IRS scandal a reminder of how I learned about The Chicago Way
Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass says to the man he thinks will be the scapegoat for Obama in recent controversies, "Watch your back."
John Kass
May 19, 2013
The Internal Revenue Service scandal now devouring the Obama administration — the outrageous use of the federal taxing authority to target tea party and other conservatives — certainly makes for meaty partisan politics.
But this scandal is about more than partisanship. It's bigger than whether the Republicans win or the Democrats lose.
It's even bigger than President Barack Obama. Yes, bigger than Obama.
Related It is opening American eyes to the fundamental relationship between free people and those who govern them. This one is about the Republic and whether we can keep it.
And it started me thinking of years ago, of my father and my uncle in Chicago and how government muscle really works.
Because if you want to understand The Chicago Way of things in Washington these days, with the guys from Chicago in charge of the White House and the federal leviathan, there's one place you start:
You start in Chicago.
My father and uncle ran a small business, a supermarket on the South Side. Uncle George worked in the front, my father in the butcher shop in the back. My uncle had been a teacher. My father had plowed his fields with a mule.
They were immigrants who came here from Greece with nothing in their pockets but a determination to work, and the belief that here, in America, no other power could roll in with tanks and put their boots on the necks of their children.
My father and uncle, like the rest of the family, valued education and books and free political debate. And so at large extended family Sundays, we'd all sit around the dinner table, many uncles and aunts and cousins, young and old.
There were conservatives and socialists, Roosevelt Democrats and Reagan Republicans and a few bewildered, equivocal moderates in between, everyone squabbling, laughing, telling stories.
No matter whose house we were visiting, the TV was never turned on after dinner. Instead, we'd have coffee and fruit and dessert and argument. We had different views, we loved each other, and even strangers who showed up were expected to join in, to debate education, the presidency, social issues, the war, drugs, bluejeans, long hair, baseball, everything.
Uncle Alex was the uncle who told us young people how best to make our points. He ran a snack shop in the Bridgeport neighborhood — the legendary home of Chicago mayors and Democratic machine bosses.
"Don't wait for a ticket," he'd say, and puff on his cigar, always in a white shirt and tie, on those family Sundays. So we'd just jump in when we could, like the rest.
One Sunday, I must have been 12 or 13, I decided to ask what I thought was an intelligent question that was something like this:
We talk politics every Sunday, we fight about this and that, so why aren't you politically active outside?
Why don't you get involved in politics?
There was an immediate silence. The older cousins looked away. The aunts and uncles stared at me in horror, as if I'd just announced I was selling heroin after school.
You could hear them breathing. No one spoke. I could feel myself blushing.
Someone quickly changed the subject to some safe old story. It could have been the one about how our grandfather named the family mule — a white, big-headed animal — after President Truman. My sin seemed forgotten.
But I couldn't forget it. I couldn't understand how we could argue about politics over baklava and watermelon and coffee, but not put it into practice.
We could support a political candidacy, we could donate or work for one or another politician that we agreed with.
This is America, I said.
"Are you in your good senses?" said my father. "We have lives here. We have businesses. If we get involved in politics, they will ruin us."
And no one, not the Roosevelt Democrats or the Reagan Republicans, disagreed. The socialists, the communists, the royalists, everyone nodded their heads.
This was Chicago. And for a business owner to get involved meant one thing: It would cost you money and somebody from government could destroy you.
The health inspectors would come, and the revenue department, the building inspectors, the fire inspectors, on and on. The city code books aren't thick because politicians like to write new laws and regulations. The codes are thick because when government swings them at a citizen, they hurt.
And who swings the codes and regulations at those who'd open their mouths? A government worker. That government worker owes his or her job to the political boss. And that boss has a boss.
The worker doesn't have to be told. The worker wants a promotion. If an irritant rises, it is erased. The hack gets a promotion. This is government.
So everybody kept their mouths shut, and Chicago was hailed by national political reporters as the city that works.
I didn't understand it all back then, but I understand it now. Once there were old bosses. Now there are new bosses. And shopkeepers still keep their mouths shut. Tavern owners still keep their mouths shut.
Even billionaires keep their mouths shut.
One hard-working billionaire whose children own the Chicago Cubs dared to open his mouth. Joe Ricketts considered funding a political group critical of Obama before last year's campaign. Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Obama's former chief of staff, made it clear that if the Cubs wanted City Hall's approval to refurbish decrepit Wrigley Field, Ricketts better back off.
It happened. He backed off. It was sickening. But it was and is Chicago.
And now — with the IRS used as political muscle and the Obama administration keeping that secret until after the president was elected — America understands it too.
Just heard tonight on the radio that the extent of the violation was longer and more wide spread than they originally disclosed. Wow cover up the cover up. This admin makes me sick.
Pretty discouraging, but it seems the Obama administration can do whatever they please without answering to anyone. As the article in the previous post says, they have successfully nationalized Chicago style government.
Sort of reminds me of a banana republic dictatorship where the government controls the press, health care, the money, freedom of speech, and pretty much everything else.
Despite America supposedly being an educated country, we continue to move toward big government socialism...which is guaranteed to fail. The average European social democracy is struggling like a 'single' mother with 12 kids and number 13 on the way. Yeah man, let's get civilized we wanna be just like Greece.
[QUOTE=GeoFisher;516301]I'm only asking, because the Administration at first stated it was a LOCALIZED issue a SINGLE OFFICE in Ohio.
Then Lerner, who is still on the payroll takes the 5th.
AND NOW, we find out that Holly Paz, an IRS supervisor in Washington DC personally scrutinized TEA-Party applications.
Where is the OUTRAGE. Guys, this is scary stuff if you ask me. I sure hope it doesn't get swept under the rug.
Later,
Geo[/QUOTE]
Don't bother me much, as long as they spend their time looking at other folks returns, I fugure it's less time they will have to look at mine. Not my problem. Course, I got nothing to hide. Wonder how many overstated business expenses the Tea Party listed that caught the IRS eye? Get crafty with tax laws and be prepared for lots of weekend company.
If you want to spend money on politics, why do you need tax exemptions??? Maybe no gonads,you want to remain unknown, why? hiding something? The IRS also looked at liberal causes. and libertatian causes, but that wasn't mentioned.. If you cut IRS funding, which congress did, where does the IRS make cuts? you staff the place where you MAKE funds, not where you loose them.