Global Warming scientists stranded by ........ICE

I'm just wondering what data you have to prove your point?

Do you have a link to the actual scientific measurements of the ice over the past 50 years. What's the GPS map coordinates where these ice thickness measurements were taken?

You do know the meaning of Global Average Temperatures don't you?

There is a reason why most Scientists know that Global Warming is real.

All good scientists know about the Green house effect and don't deny that Global Warming is real.

Only a few outcast that would sell their sole to the devil for the right amount of money are saying that the world is not warming up. They are paid by the fossil fuel industry to say what the fossil fuel industry wants them to say. It's all about big money. For example they will try to tell us that Coal is Clean. Boy if you believe that one I've got some swamp land in Louisiana to sell you.

[QUOTE=Moveon;526394]I'm just wondering what data you have to prove your point?

Do you have a link to the actual scientific measurements of the ice over the past 50 years. What's the GPS map coordinates where these ice thickness measurements were taken?

You do know the meaning of Global Average Temperatures don't you?

There is a reason why most Scientists know that Global Warming is real.

All good scientists know about the Green house effect and don't deny that Global Warming is real.

Only a few outcast that would sell their sole to the devil for the right amount of money are saying that the world is not warming up. They are paid by the fossil fuel industry to say what the fossil fuel industry wants them to say. It's all about big money. For example they will try to tell us that Coal is Clean. Boy if you believe that one I've got some swamp land in Louisiana to sell you.[/QUOTE]

Oh boy here we go...without data you approve of they are outcasts or not real scientists. Isn't that kind of thinking what got us into some of the messes we are in?? Obamacare for instance was this well thought out expert approved, 95% approval rating by the American people and blah blah blah...data out the ying yang on how good it was based on their calculations. And guess what the experts were wrong..but it is a great idea to get more money from folks by the gubmnet!! Control the money.

I do agree about your comments on fossil fuels being called clean and experts being paid to say what benefits them. I also believe it's the same way with the scientific community on global warming. If they get funds by people who want them to say things that benefit their cause then what makes them right and the coal idea wrong? We are to trust one group of people but not the other?? Naw no way. I just don't see how anyone can be so positive on something when all that money and expert credibility is on the line. I see another way for the gubmnet to shove another idea down our throats and raise the tax revenue to bolster their importance. Control the money.

Anyone remember the study that said the sun can be a cause for warmth in the atmosphere or something like that?? Maybe it said it was a factor in global warming?!?!? Either way....we really needed that shining example of brilliance from some scientist???? Come on man.

So these special scientists that got stuck didn't believe their own data? That why they went and got stuck? Maybe they needed an expert weatherman like Al Gore or Al Roker to help them read the radar or satellite imagery?? Hahaha heck maybe that was a another false article according to snopes??? Either way it is funny the experts (prolly the outcast ones huh) get stuck in ice when we are in such dire straights on global warming and melting ice everywhere.

[QUOTE=roadrunner;526367]When my college professor at U of I told me in 1966 we were headed for another Ice age and unless things changed we would not be able to grow corn in Illinois.I do not remember all the numbers but I think he said it only needed to cool down 3 heat degree days and it had dropped so many heat degree days in the last 40 or 50 years and at this rate we would not be able to grow corn in Illinois in the next 50 to 100 years. I assume he was using the statistics available to him at the time. Yes I do believe we had much colder winters then than now however I do not believe you can look at statistics to predict what our temperature is going to be in the next 20 , 50 75 years. I believe we also have statistics that prove we have been cooling for the last 10 years. We also know that some scientist have admitted that they cooked the books to appease the tree huggers so they could continue to get grant money for their research. So I guess I am old enough to say I can deny the statistics.[/QUOTE]
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So I'm guessing you don't believe there were historical events such as ice ages and the like, don't believe tropical zones were in such places as the northern colder climates of today, Don't buy into the idea that the interior of the united states regions being shallow seas at one time.... Thats ok, you don't have to believe those events happened, you don't have to believe any science actually is real, you can watch your TV at night, get in your truck in the morning , get on an airplane and fly somewhere, watch the shuttle launch and then deny any science is real,that won't change a single scientific discovery just because you don't believe it.

Ark...Ark..., News Alert, some Fishin.com members have seen the light, reviewed their science books, and mounted a sea expidation to rescure members of the stranded ship! Thank God. :cool:

[QUOTE=FlyLie;526407]Ark...Ark..., News Alert, some Fishin.com members have seen the light, reviewed their science books, and mounted a sea expidation to rescure members of the stranded ship! Thank God. :cool:[/QUOTE]

Clearly I'm not as learned on GW as you, and I love your irony, but don't you see anything wrong here at all? I mean a boatload of climate experts who according to you are beyond reproach and should be believed by us all without question, head down to ply their science and get stuck in the ice. Come on now...really?

You seem pretty scornful of anyone who questions the oh so brilliant climatologists who don't appear to be intelligent enough to recognize ice. Maybe the rescuers could play the new Disney movie "Frozen" for them during the trip back to safety.

Ark, ark...news alert: Anyone who has the temerity to question GW science, and liberal ideology in general is not necessarily a dumb ass fossil fuel company stooge.

There are those who've watched global crisis alarmists crow about one thing or another their whole lives, and have the common sense to be skeptical of the latest crew. According to the scientific global crisis experts of my youth, the planet was supposed to be so over populated by now, we'd all be starving...but we're not.

Climate experts back then were predicting global cooling as I remember it, and since GW isn't cooperating with them the current fashionable term is is climate change.

And finally, GW might be easier to believe if hokey stuff didn't keep popping up like intentional falsification/reporting of climate data, and GW scientific uh...experts declaring bovine flatulence as a major problem.

Have a fun ride aboard the bovine flatulence bandwagon, but use your head some before you poke fun at us who choose to exercise a little skepticism.

Get it?

I believe our planet is changing all the time, getting warmer in some areas and cooler in others. I think there are crooked people in every branch of life. but I believe there are more good and truthful people than crooked ones.
our scientist are very important to our future, there are no superhumans, we all make mistakes. I don't believe every thing the scientist say, but when they can show some facts to go with their story, I lean their way. when they say our planet is getting warmer, I think for my self on this subject, and it doesn't seam to get as cold as it did in my younger years. the same creeks that stayed frozen most all winter years ago, hardly ever freezes any more. that tells me the winters are a little warmer, in this area anyway. and some scientist say they drilled deep in the ice caps up north, an found evidence of tropical plants that once lived there, and are now buried under ice. sounds a little out there, but I can believe that. those guys do some good work that we all benefit from. and I'm sure, if these guys were smart enough to be educated scientist, that they were smart enough to know they were risking getting stuck in ice when they went there, and there reason for being there, must have been worth the risk.
I think we need scientist, that work for the betterment of mankind, but in the end I think we will be destroyed by weapons of mass destruction that scientist have made.

[QUOTE=waterdog101;526418]I believe our planet is changing all the time, getting warmer in some areas and cooler in others. I think there are crooked people in every branch of life. but I believe there are more good and truthful people than crooked ones.
our scientist are very important to our future, there are no superhumans, we all make mistakes. I don't believe every thing the scientist say, but when they can show some facts to go with their story, I lean their way. when they say our planet is getting warmer, I think for my self on this subject, and it doesn't seam to get as cold as it did in my younger years. the same creeks that stayed frozen most all winter years ago, hardly ever freezes any more. that tells me the winters are a little warmer, in this area anyway. and some scientist say they drilled deep in the ice caps up north, an found evidence of tropical plants that once lived there, and are now buried under ice. sounds a little out there, but I can believe that. those guys do some good work that we all benefit from. and I'm sure, if these guys were smart enough to be educated scientist, that they were smart enough to know they were risking getting stuck in ice when they went there, and there reason for being there, must have been worth the risk.
I think we need scientist, that work for the betterment of mankind, but in the end I think we will be destroyed by weapons of mass destruction that scientist have made.[/QUOTE]

Few would doubt climate change is real. The question is whether it's naturally occurring cyclic change or man made. To me the best question is the motivation of an industry (yes, GW has become a multi-billion dollar industry) that is pushing the man made angle.

Skeptics like myself become even more jaded when GW industry Godfather and hypocrite Al Gore continues to enrich himself off this so called man made crisis.

[QUOTE=Devils Horse;526422]Few would doubt climate change is real. The question is whether it's naturally occurring cyclic change or man made. To me the best question is the motivation of an industry (yes, GW has become a multi-billion dollar industry) that is pushing the man made angle.

Skeptics like myself become even more jaded when GW industry Godfather and hypocrite Al Gore continues to enrich himself off this so called man made crisis.[/QUOTE]
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The other group contains a very small percentage of scientist that work for Exon and other fossil fuel industries. There is a reason why the VAST MAJORITY of Climate Scientist tell us that Global Warming is real. They don't have to make up any thing. The data is there for all to see. Historical Global Temperatures are there for anyone to see. These are not just temperatures taken in the USA but from all over the World. That's what I mean by the word "Global". And it's not a one time thing in one place. It's an Average of all the temperatures that has risen.

There is a reason why the Ice sheets have melted and receded. Glaciers are receding like never before.

Funny how the Right never seems to have an answer for the receding glaciers as proof. They simply Ignore the facts and continue to attack Obama and Al Gore. I find that hilarious actually. They don't attack the pictures from NASA showing the ice sheets smaller now than they were in the past. And they don't attack the historical temperature records either. All they have to say is Obama blah blah blah! The data is there for you to look up. Why don't you just go to a reliable source like NOAA.

[QUOTE=DJD;526398]Oh boy here we go...without data you approve of they are outcasts or not real scientists. Isn't that kind of thinking what got us into some of the messes we are in?? Obamacare for instance was this well

[QUOTE=Moveon;526499][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming[/URL]



The other group contains a very small percentage of scientist that work for Exon and other fossil fuel industries. There is a reason why the VAST MAJORITY of Climate Scientist tell us that Global Warming is real. They don't have to make up any thing. The data is there for all to see. Historical Global Temperatures are there for anyone to see. These are not just temperatures taken in the USA but from all over the World. That's what I mean by the word "Global". And it's not a one time thing in one place. It's an Average of all the temperatures that has risen.

There is a reason why the Ice sheets have melted and receded. Glaciers are receding like never before.

Funny how the Right never seems to have an answer for the receding glaciers as proof. They simply Ignore the facts and continue to attack Obama and Al Gore. I find that hilarious actually. They don't attack the pictures from NASA showing the ice sheets smaller now than they were in the past. And they don't attack the historical temperature records either. All they have to say is Obama blah blah blah! The data is there for you to look up. Why don't you just go to a reliable source like NOAA.

[QUOTE=DJD;526398]Oh boy here we go...without data you approve of they are outcasts or not real scientists. Isn't that kind of thinking what got us into some of the messes we are in?? Obamacare for instance was this well[/QUOTE]

What ice sheets? Specific ones? What was the one these guys got stuck in? Does that area not count? Maybe they could have used your advice and looked at those pics you speak of before spending all that money to go and prove global warming exists not me because they were proved wrong...again.

If these guys are "your" global warming scientists and not the "other" scientists who challenge their data and they go off half cocked, careless and ignoring data that is supposed to exist to prove global warming and get stuck in ice that isn't supposed to be there or even be that thick then they need another field to go in because they are idiots.

I'm just a man living in Kentucky but if I was going on a trip somewhere I look into what I'm getting myself into before I go. You know simple things like is it cold there? What's the long range weather forecast? What are some of the local things do to....and all of that is available on the internet. That way i can pack according to the data i find.

I never realized that so called scientist and anyone who supports them are so careless but supposedly 100% correct and diligent with their studies and data collecting on global warming. Seems like they set the example of how careless these so called scientists are not me. How can anyone explain this? Lead by example is what comes to mind and if these guys are your leaders then you are in trouble.

Another thing you and other Obama supports seem to forget. The USA is not only made up of Left and Right I'm a independent Conservative and don't really support 100% of the GOP. Prolly more Libertarian than anything.

Oh well, I will agree to disagree about the data on Global Warming. It's skewed to gain more credibility than it deserves to scare people and get more money for their cause. It's political jousting on who controls the vote...nothing more. I think it's not 100% accurate and actually irresponsible of them to come with these published conclusions and then they go out and get stuck in ice so thick they can't even use ice breaking ships to get them out. Helicopters are needed because the ice is thicker than they have ever seem. Just makes them look like fools and is another case of global warming data being wrong.

[QUOTE=Moveon;526499][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming[/url]


There is a reason why the Ice sheets have melted and receded. Glaciers are receding like never before.


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Like never before since when? Since the last hundred years or so?

How do the left and their scientists explain PROVEN GW in the past before man was even a factor? Dinosaur flatulence?

My contention is you and those on left overestimate man's importance and impact on the earth's climate. When supposedly learned scientists state cows passing gas is a big problem, that enforces my point. Sounds more like left wing European flakes using GW scare tactics to push vegetarianism than science.

Far as attacking Mr. Obama and Al Gore, liars and hypocrites make that pretty easy to do.

Denying statistic doesn't do a whole lot to change them. just because a lot of us (including me) believe there isn't a whole lot we can do about it doesn't mean it isn't happening... Anybody that accepts the idea that there was once an ice age believes in GW as you guys call it... your argument is actually invalid if that argument is 'it isn't happening', there is more than enough data to suggest the planet is warmer today than it was in the past i.e. ice age.