amnesty

[QUOTE=GeoFisher;539477][B]If nothing gets passed it seems to me it is the same as not being presented.. Rhetoric is the only thing you will see...[/B]

That is what you said.......Since you don't understand the process, BASED your above statement.

Most of my bitching is about not getting stuff accomplished. Since you don't understand that, I guess I will lump you into the ignorant category. Nothing much else I can do.
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immigration,
* Taxes
* Immigration
* Borders
* Energy
* Bud
1 year. Guaranteed.

Later,

Geo[/QUOTE]

taxes on higher income will be increased minutely, corporate taxes will be cut, the short fall will come from entitlement spending. healh care education, goverment budgets cut.
immigration, nobahma will grant amnesty to children born here by illegals, nothing will happen till 2016
borders, states will bear thwe greatest cost for border security,they will balk and let the transients pass through.
border states will be encouaged to us guard troops to patrol the borders.[use]
Energy, more federal alnd will be used for more drilling rights, the keystone pipeline will pass. The energy conglomeret will sow down drilling to bring the cost of crude up.LNG terminals will be increased to help us export LNG, this will be partially funded with tax payer money
Budget, A VAT tax will be passed,no major funding for infastrucure,EPA funding will be cut, postal service will be cut.IRS budgets cut, miltary budgets will be under funded COLA will be lowered for SS. More state toll roads. Welfare will be cut,and unemplyment willbe 8%.

[QUOTE=kygorski;539486]taxes on higher income will be increased minutely, corporate taxes will be cut, the short fall will come from entitlement spending. healh care education, goverment budgets cut.
immigration, nobahma will grant amnesty to children born here by illegals, nothing will happen till 2016
borders, states will bear thwe greatest cost for border security,they will balk and let the transients pass through.
border states will be encouaged to us guard troops to patrol the borders.[use]
Energy, more federal alnd will be used for more drilling rights, the keystone pipeline will pass. The energy conglomeret will sow down drilling to bring the cost of crude up.LNG terminals will be increased to help us export LNG, this will be partially funded with tax payer money
Budget, A VAT tax will be passed,no major funding for infastrucure,EPA funding will be cut, postal service will be cut.IRS budgets cut, miltary budgets will be under funded COLA will be lowered for SS. More state toll roads. Welfare will be cut,and unemplyment willbe 8%.[/QUOTE]

Wait a minute?!?!?!? You mean all those shovel ready jobs are done and we are fine now?? Obama was going to fix bridges roads and on and on.....
Postal service has already been cut. What else can they cut? Stores and postal centers have been closed or combined for many years now.

when you look at the rest of the world, and see how good we have it. have you ever really asked yourself, out of the Billions of people in the world, how was we so lucky to be here. I think we were like the other people, that get into this country any way they can, looking for a better life. our great, great, great Grand Daddys, way back in the day, they came here uninvited and just made themselfs at home, children that are born here, give them Amnesty. thats how we got to call this country home. if America would clean house of all illegal aliens, there wouldn't be anyone left, but a few Native Americans.

Parts of it were the right idea, what got stuck in my throat was the"get with the law" part.Both partys[employer, and emplyee] broke the law. So both should pay the fines. I agree with the "serve in the armed forces" part. But its pretty hard to join if you are illegal. One country one language. right on!

[QUOTE=waterdog101;539491]when you look at the rest of the world, and see how good we have it. have you ever really asked yourself, out of the Billions of people in the world, how was we so lucky to be here. I think we were like the other people, that get into this country any way they can, looking for a better life. our great, great, great Grand Daddys, way back in the day, they came here uninvited and just made themselfs at home, children that are born here, give them Amnesty. thats how we got to call this country home. if America would clean house of all illegal aliens, there wouldn't be anyone left, but a few Native Americans.[/QUOTE]

I don't think luck has much to do with it, but I understand what you mean.

Later,

Geo

[QUOTE=kygorski;539486]taxes on higher income will be increased minutely, corporate taxes will be cut, the short fall will come from entitlement spending. healh care education, goverment budgets cut.
immigration, nobahma will grant amnesty to children born here by illegals, nothing will happen till 2016
borders, states will bear thwe greatest cost for border security,they will balk and let the transients pass through.
border states will be encouaged to us guard troops to patrol the borders.[use]
Energy, more federal alnd will be used for more drilling rights, the keystone pipeline will pass. The energy conglomeret will sow down drilling to bring the cost of crude up.LNG terminals will be increased to help us export LNG, this will be partially funded with tax payer money
Budget, A VAT tax will be passed,no major funding for infastrucure,EPA funding will be cut, postal service will be cut.IRS budgets cut, miltary budgets will be under funded COLA will be lowered for SS. More state toll roads. Welfare will be cut,and unemplyment willbe 8%.[/QUOTE]

If you cut corporate tax there won't be any short fall there will be more tax revenue this has been proven over and over and over. Even Kennedy knew this.

[QUOTE=waterdog101;539491]when you look at the rest of the world, and see how good we have it. have you ever really asked yourself, out of the Billions of people in the world, how was we so lucky to be here. I think we were like the other people, that get into this country any way they can, looking for a better life. our great, great, great Grand Daddys, way back in the day, they came here uninvited and just made themselfs at home, children that are born here, give them Amnesty. thats how we got to call this country home. if America would clean house of all illegal aliens, there wouldn't be anyone left, but a few Native Americans.[/QUOTE]

Well I don't agree with you but nothing new. There is a lot more to this than a broad stroke of the brush saying all of us are illegals. I watched my mom go through the naturalization process. I recently watched my friend at work do it as well and several friends who were born in Scotland. There are millions and millions who did it the right way and many more doing it right now. When my buddy from Sri Lanka did it here in Kentucky it was an emotional thing. He cherished it and was proud. The illegals broke the law and did nothing to pledge their allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. That should mean something to you. It means a hell of a lot to me and my family who served in the Military and we all said the same "I do" when we enlisted. Being an American should not be cheapened by some amnesty act of a guilt free acceptance into our country. They need to pay.

A lot of them don't speak English, they don't care about how we became who we are. From what I have seen in the news many of them don't even care about America...they just like to get free crap and scream we owe them for being hard working. Well news flash not all of them are hard working and not all of them are fine upstanding folks. Many think Mexico is a better place and they want communities of nothing but Mexican speaking folks. No need to learn the language because we don't make them. That's wrong....wanna live here learn the freaking language!!! Press 1 for English??? How about no. How about speak the language or hang up!!!

The illegals who are here with or without kids or kids born here from illegals are illegals iMO. They should all be penalized for breaking the law. Can't arrest them...too many of them. Can't send them back because they would come right back. Can't kill them so what do we do??

How about start with the law....Don't we ever enforce the law anymore?? What's wrong with following the law and not our hearts? I know there is no way we can send back all the illegals but when amnesty happens there has to be a penalty.

The idea of applying the Native American saga to today is unfair. Just like applying the slaves of long ago to today. It's weak, an excuse and I'm sick of hearing about it. There has to be a point when we stop trying to repay any injustices from long long ago. It happened it's over.....the end.

You want to apply some sort of heart felt sentiment?? How about all the military men and women who have died to make this country safe? Where is the heart felt sentiment for them? They did crap tons more for you and me then some illegals who broke the law and sucked off the gubment teat, work tax free and expect our great way of life without lifting a finger to earn their place. Why can't you appreciate them as much as you always pull out your little violin and play sappy tunes about black thugs being killed or illegals getting a free pass. Your on the record a lot of giving in to emotional junk.....I'm not that easy. If someone wants to come here then by God they should pay or do it legally!!! To many wars have been fought, to many people have been killed and to many families have been forever changed so we can live like we do. It wasn't luck...it was blood sweat and tears and you don't seem to understand that.

Luck???? Man that's so closed minded and disrespectful!!

[QUOTE=DJD;539513]Well I don't agree with you but nothing new. There is a lot more to this than a broad stroke of the brush saying all of us are illegals. I watched my mom go through the naturalization process. I recently watched my friend at work do it as well and several friends who were born in Scotland. There are millions and millions who did it the right way and many more doing it right now. When my buddy from Sri Lanka did it here in Kentucky it was an emotional thing. He cherished it and was proud. The illegals broke the law and did nothing to pledge their allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. That should mean something to you. It means a hell of a lot to me and my family who served in the Military and we all said the same "I do" when we enlisted. Being an American should not be cheapened by some amnesty act of a guilt free acceptance into our country. They need to pay.

A lot of them don't speak English, they don't care about how we became who we are. From what I have seen in the news many of them don't even care about America...they just like to get free crap and scream we owe them for being hard working. Well news flash not all of them are hard working and not all of them are fine upstanding folks. Many think Mexico is a better place and they want communities of nothing but Mexican speaking folks. No need to learn the language because we don't make them. That's wrong....wanna live here learn the freaking language!!! Press 1 for English??? How about no. How about speak the language or hang up!!!

The illegals who are here with or without kids or kids born here from illegals are illegals iMO. They should all be penalized for breaking the law. Can't arrest them...too many of them. Can't send them back because they would come right back. Can't kill them so what do we do??

How about start with the law....Don't we ever enforce the law anymore?? What's wrong with following the law and not our hearts? I know there is no way we can send back all the illegals but when amnesty happens there has to be a penalty.

The idea of applying the Native American saga to today is unfair. Just like applying the slaves of long ago to today. It's weak, an excuse and I'm sick of hearing about it. There has to be a point when we stop trying to repay any injustices from long long ago. It happened it's over.....the end.

You want to apply some sort of heart felt sentiment?? How about all the military men and women who have died to make this country safe? Where is the heart felt sentiment for them? They did crap tons more for you and me then some illegals who broke the law and sucked off the gubment teat, work tax free and expect our great way of life without lifting a finger to earn their place. Why can't you appreciate them as much as you always pull out your little violin and play sappy tunes about black thugs being killed or illegals getting a free pass. Your on the record a lot of giving in to emotional junk.....I'm not that easy. If someone wants to come here then by God they should pay or do it legally!!! To many wars have been fought, to many people have been killed and to many families have been forever changed so we can live like we do. It wasn't luck...it was blood sweat and tears and you don't seem to understand that.

Luck???? Man that's so closed minded and disrespectful!![/QUOTE] man, you wrote a book, almost. I do apply heart felt compassion, for anyone that has a hard life. and skin color don't change what I see. I do know what our Armed Forces have done. my Granddad was in WW11 and one of my uncles, my Dad was in Korea, and I joined the Military in 1971. I'm far from being closed minded, I can see back fare enough, to see this country taken from the Native American people that it belonged to. by our forefathers, or illegals which ever name you prefer calling them. that is why I said everyone here, are illegals besides the Native Americans. life is very short, enjoy life and have a little compassion for others. don't be so hung up on the Government tit. that tit helps a lot of needy folks. I work every day and know a lot of guys half my age, feed off the tit you so often refer to. I don't like that, but I try and think of the ones that are helpless and what would they do without the Government assistance, or the tit as you call it. I would much rather see my tax dollars, being spent on Government assistance than being spent on million dollar missiles, when we already have enough weapons to destroy the world many times over.

[QUOTE=DJD;539513]Well I don't agree with you but nothing new. There is a lot more to this than a broad stroke of the brush saying all of us are illegals. I watched my mom go through the naturalization process. I recently watched my friend at work do it as well and several friends who were born in Scotland. There are millions and millions who did it the right way and many more doing it right now. When my buddy from Sri Lanka did it here in Kentucky it was an emotional thing. He cherished it and was proud. The illegals broke the law and did nothing to pledge their allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. That should mean something to you. It means a hell of a lot to me and my family who served in the Military and we all said the same "I do" when we enlisted. Being an American should not be cheapened by some amnesty act of a guilt free acceptance into our country. They need to pay.

A lot of them don't speak English, they don't care about how we became who we are. From what I have seen in the news many of them don't even care about America...they just like to get free crap and scream we owe them for being hard working. Well news flash not all of them are hard working and not all of them are fine upstanding folks. Many think Mexico is a better place and they want communities of nothing but Mexican speaking folks. No need to learn the language because we don't make them. That's wrong....wanna live here learn the freaking language!!! Press 1 for English??? How about no. How about speak the language or hang up!!!

The illegals who are here with or without kids or kids born here from illegals are illegals iMO. They should all be penalized for breaking the law. Can't arrest them...too many of them. Can't send them back because they would come right back. Can't kill them so what do we do??

How about start with the law....Don't we ever enforce the law anymore?? What's wrong with following the law and not our hearts? I know there is no way we can send back all the illegals but when amnesty happens there has to be a penalty.

The idea of applying the Native American saga to today is unfair. Just like applying the slaves of long ago to today. It's weak, an excuse and I'm sick of hearing about it. There has to be a point when we stop trying to repay any injustices from long long ago. It happened it's over.....the end.

You want to apply some sort of heart felt sentiment?? How about all the military men and women who have died to make this country safe? Where is the heart felt sentiment for them? They did crap tons more for you and me then some illegals who broke the law and sucked off the gubment teat, work tax free and expect our great way of life without lifting a finger to earn their place. Why can't you appreciate them as much as you always pull out your little violin and play sappy tunes about black thugs being killed or illegals getting a free pass. Your on the record a lot of giving in to emotional junk.....I'm not that easy. If someone wants to come here then by God they should pay or do it legally!!! To many wars have been fought, to many people have been killed and to many families have been forever changed so we can live like we do. It wasn't luck...it was blood sweat and tears and you don't seem to understand that.

Luck???? Man that's so closed minded and disrespectful!![/QUOTE] great post I talked to a gentleman that lives here and has been very successful running an Italian restaurant. He told me that becoming a citizen was his greatest day of his live only next to his wedding day. He said it upsets him when he goes somewhere and they have instructions in both English and Spanish. He said they should hava learn tha English like I do. I also agree we can not deport everyone here illegally and this is why they most important part of an immigration bill is to secure the border and then and only then can we control our immigration process.

[QUOTE=waterdog101;539516]man, you wrote a book, almost. I do apply heart felt compassion, for anyone that has a hard life. and skin color don't change what I see. I do know what our Armed Forces have done. my Granddad was in WW11 and one of my uncles, my Dad was in Korea, and I joined the Military in 1971. I'm far from being closed minded, I can see back fare enough, to see this country taken from the Native American people that it belonged to. by our forefathers, or illegals which ever name you prefer calling them. that is why I said everyone here, are illegals besides the Native Americans. life is very short, enjoy life and have a little compassion for others. don't be so hung up on the Government tit. that tit helps a lot of needy folks. I work every day and know a lot of guys half my age, feed off the tit you so often refer to. I don't like that, but I try and think of the ones that are helpless and what would they do without the Government assistance, or the tit as you call it. I would much rather see my tax dollars, being spent on Government assistance than being spent on million dollar missiles, when we already have enough weapons to destroy the world many times over.[/QUOTE]
First off thank you for your service!
Now the problem I have with Liberals is this...their compassion always impacts me. Amnesty is a no brainer but the illegals should pay. A few other Liberal acts of compassion...Global Warming, Healthcare and gun Ownership. Every single one of those involves your ideas of compassion getting in my wallet or trying to change my way of life.
Could you please send all your money to these causes that you so dearly love? Maybe it will show you how you don't really have as much compassion as you pretend to. Global warming....sell your car get a bicycle, sell all your evil electronics and move to California and live with the other posers. You should also provide others with free healthcare. Go to the local Health Department and start paying bills for people who can't seem to make it. It's your money so feel free to spend it on others....just stay out of my wallet. I don't care if you want to waste your money on Mexicans, the atmosphere, some stupid snail dart fish or whatever else he liberals feel compelled to "save" just stay out of my wallet.
Your twin "moveon" seems to think Global Warming is sooooooooooo important but he has done little to save the planet. I have asked him many times what he has done to decrease his global carbon footprint. Instead, he is cutting and pasting articles on what he kinda believes in. Same with you and your compassion of others....especially poor little thugs who get what they had coming to them. UberLiberals feel like it's their duty to spend our money but not your own first. Until you spend everything you have you and the other UberLiberals are just talking crap. Don't you remember what your parents taught you? Mind your business or get your act together before you complain about others? Is it that big of a problem to live your beliefs with your own money and stay out of mine? Gubment has to exist. Slavery and control like the Liberals want does not have to exist.

[QUOTE=DJD;539533]First off thank you for your service!
Now the problem I have with Liberals is this...their compassion always impacts me. Amnesty is a no brainer but the illegals should pay. A few other Liberal acts of compassion...Global Warming, Healthcare and gun Ownership. Every single one of those involves your ideas of compassion getting in my wallet or trying to change my way of life.
Could you please send all your money to these causes that you so dearly love? Maybe it will show you how you don't really have as much compassion as you pretend to. Global warming....sell your car get a bicycle, sell all your evil electronics and move to California and live with the other posers. You should also provide others with free healthcare. Go to the local Health Department and start paying bills for people who can't seem to make it. It's your money so feel free to spend it on others....just stay out of my wallet. I don't care if you want to waste your money on Mexicans, the atmosphere, some stupid snail dart fish or whatever else he liberals feel compelled to "save" just stay out of my wallet.
Your twin "moveon" seems to think Global Warming is sooooooooooo important but he has done little to save the planet. I have asked him many times what he has done to decrease his global carbon footprint. Instead, he is cutting and pasting articles on what he kinda believes in. Same with you and your compassion of others....especially poor little thugs who get what they had coming to them. UberLiberals feel like it's their duty to spend our money but not your own first. Until you spend everything you have you and the other UberLiberals are just talking crap. Don't you remember what your parents taught you? Mind your business or get your act together before you complain about others? Is it that big of a problem to live your beliefs with your own money and stay out of mine? Gubment has to exist. Slavery and control like the Liberals want does not have to exist.[/QUOTE]

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