United Steel Workers - Oil Workers Strike

[QUOTE=waterdog101;543053]thats a dirty nasty dangerous job, the workers are exposed to dangerous chemicals, fire hazards, explosions, they earn ever dime they get. and if the jobs they have were nonunion their wages would be cut in half, just look at the operators engineer jobs here in Ky they pay 37.00 per hour because they are Union, go south to the neighboring states Tennessee and Virginia, with the right to work law and doing the same job pays 12.00 and 14.00 per hour.
it's not like the oil companys can't afford to pay workers,
[U]EXXONMOBIL CHAIRMAN REX W. TILLERSON COMMENTED[/U]:
“ExxonMobil’s first quarter earnings and cash flow reflect the company’s continuing focus on delivering profitable growth and creating long-term shareholder value.Strong performance in the Upstream benefitted from improved production mix and increased unit profitability.
“First quarter 2014 earnings were $9.1 billion, down 4 percent from the first quarter of 2013. Upstream earnings were $7.8 billion, up 11 percent from the previous year.[/QUOTE]
Here are your dangerous jobs. [URL]http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2013/08/22/americas-10-deadliest-jobs-2/[/URL]
1. Logging workers
2. Fishers and related fishing workers
3. Aircraft pilot and flight engineers
4. Roofers
5. Structural iron and steel workers
6. Refuse and recyclable material collectors
7. Electrical power-line installers and repairers
8. Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers
9. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
10. Construction laborers

[QUOTE=waterdog101;543053]thats a dirty nasty dangerous job, the workers are exposed to dangerous chemicals, fire hazards, explosions, they earn ever dime they get. and if the jobs they have were nonunion their wages would be cut in half, just look at the operators engineer jobs here in Ky they pay 37.00 per hour because they are Union, go south to the neighboring states Tennessee and Virginia, with the right to work law and doing the same job pays 12.00 and 14.00 per hour.
it's not like the oil companys can't afford to pay workers,
[U]EXXONMOBIL CHAIRMAN REX W. TILLERSON COMMENTED[/U]:
“ExxonMobil’s first quarter earnings and cash flow reflect the company’s continuing focus on delivering profitable growth and creating long-term shareholder value.Strong performance in the Upstream benefitted from improved production mix and increased unit profitability.
“First quarter 2014 earnings were $9.1 billion, down 4 percent from the first quarter of 2013. Upstream earnings were $7.8 billion, up 11 percent from the previous year.[/QUOTE]
wrong Marathon Oil refinery workers here in Robinson IL. are non union and they make as much or more than there union counterparts and they do not want a union any way shape or form.

[QUOTE=roadrunner;543314]wrong Marathon Oil refinery workers here in Robinson IL. are non union and they make as much or more than there union counterparts and they do not want a union any way shape or form.[/QUOTE]
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Why would anybody want a union if they are paid at union scale and treated as well?

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Why would anybody want a union if they are paid at union scale and treated as well?[/QUOTE]

If unions were so GREAT, why do those wanting unions feel it is necessary to CHEAT and stuff ballots to bring in a UNION.

Unions ****........ALL UNIONS ****. Collectivism *****........

[url]http://www.nrtw.org/en/press/2015/02/workers-have-fourth-vote-to-remove-union-02032015[/url]


Lets see:

* The NLRB didn't like the first vote, so they threw it out.
* The NLRB didn't like the second vote, so they threw it out.
* The NLRB approved the 3rd vote, but 148 out of 140 employees voted......[B]148 out of 140[/B] HM......
* A 4th vote will be held.........

You know what. This plant doesn't want a FREAKIN Union.

Later,

Geo

[QUOTE=Hlleonard;543315]--
Why would anybody want a union if they are paid at union scale and treated as well?[/QUOTE]a company that is working close to an area that has a Union, will pay union scale or very close to it, to keep their workers from joining the union. but let the same company move away from the union area, and watch the wages drop.

[QUOTE=waterdog101;543332]a company that is working close to an area that has a Union, will pay union scale or very close to it, to keep their workers from joining the union. but let the same company move away from the union area, and watch the wages drop.[/QUOTE]
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that is exactly correct... IBM paid good wages for years, ask anybody who worked there why and most will tell you that same thing... toyota in georgetown.... let the union wage suffer and watch how fast it follows suit..

For many years that site had an independant union. It was called standard oil of indiana. after the explosion that burned for two days, the ownership changed it to american oil. the new refinery re employed less than half the work force. The automation that followed was top of the line.It was still an independent union, the benefits were much better than the other refinerys in the area.I don't know when they went to an international union, I was gone! I had uncles who worked there in managemnent, cousins who worked as operators, and one who stiil works there, but is probably ready to retire. Most of the oil workers were union members of OCAW,that union just disapeared. .

[QUOTE=Hlleonard;543333]--
that is exactly correct... IBM paid good wages for years, ask anybody who worked there why and most will tell you that same thing... toyota in georgetown.... let the union wage suffer and watch how fast it follows suit..[/QUOTE]

Automation killed those IBM wages........in 1986..........

Guaran-DAM-TEE that ..........

I wrote logic control systems for IBM back then in that plant.....ON THAT FLOOR.

Tell me any different.........

Later,

Geo

they have a good fil about that explosion. I was getting to leave for work at the steel mill and the explosion shook our house five miles away.

I have worked in union and non-union job shops, pay was about the same, to a point, the union shops you GOT your annual raises, in a non-union shop its when ever they feel like it, also in a union shop your health benefits were protected, non-union, you get what is the cheapest they can get. Sometimes the smaller non-union shops you get some extra perks, in a union shop......NO WAY.

[QUOTE=Bill M of NJ;543410]I have worked in union and non-union job shops, pay was about the same, to a point, the union shops you GOT your annual raises, in a non-union shop its when ever they feel like it, also in a union shop your health benefits were protected, non-union, you get what is the cheapest they can get. Sometimes the smaller non-union shops you get some extra perks, in a union shop......NO WAY.[/QUOTE]
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yes... In union shops it is very doubtful anything will come your way that isn't bargained for although we did get a pair of nail clips once for somekind of safety thing... Thats something I guess, lol

[QUOTE=waterdog101;543332]a company that is working close to an area that has a Union, will pay union scale or very close to it, to keep their workers from joining the union. but let the same company move away from the union area, and watch the wages drop.[/QUOTE]

Robinson is not a union town however Lawrenceville 25 miles away had a union Texico refinery but it closed 20 years ago I wonder why?