why the three way?

OK got it, but it isn't the way I'm going to fish!!!! I will use my weighted bobber, but it will be on the main line, slippage? there are twp eyes on these floats.If needed I can always tie a stop knot to keep track of my depth.This is NOT a new concept on deep fishing, we used it in the 80's fishing the power plant discharges on some of the great lakes, but we used noodle rods, and plain white maribou jigs, and were targeting steelhead cohos and brown trout,and 4 lb test was the norm because of the water conditions.some of these trout would easily go over 8 lbs.and every once4 in awhile, one of those huge limber lipped bass would swallow that jig, and then it was pure tedium, waiting for either the line to break, or the hook to pull loose.

Moose: Great info on refractive index. So what line really has the same RI as water?

[QUOTE=Moose1am;309363]If the action is that much different using the bobber tied to the line vs squeezed in place with the plastic peg then I'll be surprise. I just can't see there being that much difference in the bait's action between the two rigs.[/QUOTE]

I haven't fished FnF either, but I would not be surprised if the action is significantly different. Like you, I've done my share of fishing using a slip bobber, sometimes with a jig, but more often with live bait below it. One of the things I've read about FnF fisherman doing is taking the slack out of the line and giving the rod a good shake. The wiggling gets transferred down the line to the bobber, which will move back and forth, and in turn wiggle the jig. You can sort of do this with a slip bobber in place, and I do it occasionally, but the line moves up and down in the bobber, acting as kind of a shock absorber, so the jig itself moves very little.

Unless you take the time to rig both in a tank(slipped/vs/pegged) you will not understand the difference.

Also on windy days the wind will "horseshoe" line and pull the fly(on a slip bobber) well up out of the depth you were wishing to fish it. If you're not in the wind you should be okay.

The whole purpose of the three-way it to take the bobber our of the line. Also when you work the fly, you'll not be working the bobber.

Like I said get a tank, bucket, sink or bathtub. Fill it up with water and do some testing.

Let me know what you find out.

Sure looks like the three way is taking a beating on here--But i will tell you guys one thing Im sticking with the three way--Its the only way to go-So go out there an have some fun with the FNF GUYS and good luck to you all......And let them Browns tell you what they want :)

You know when that 12+ SM hits you on that 6 lb Flurocarbon leader, I just wish I could watch the sweat and lack of blood flow to the cranium taking that F-N-F Hacker to a "hold new level." I do wish this upon Elwood. After he is back out on the water, he will need something to blow out those arteries. My pictue of the situation would be Elwood hanging this fish and after long and demanding fight, he lips this fish holding only the rod's handle. At that point, regardless of the bobber or knot used, it will be written in the history books.

You don't need a microscope to see this. Just place the fishing line in the water and if it vanishes and you can't see it anymore it's probably got the same or a close RI.

But put on a pair of swim goggles and do this underwater.

I'd have to test some fishing line to determine it's RI.

I really don't know the RI of the different fishing lines to tell you the truth. It's been a long time since I played with the PLM and did these tests.

Most monofiliment lines are pretty transparent.

Even if the fish can't see the fishing line I would bet that they know something is there moving though the water as the fish have those lateral lines down each side of the body. Those lateral lines detect different pressure waves in the water and since they are in pairs they probably can also tell the direction the pressure waves are coming from. Much like the Lateral Sonar Array that are on the USS Virginia Submarines today.

Flurocarbon lines appear to be very clear and I would guess that they are very close to the same RI as pure water.

All my work was done with various oils that had different RI's. There are six different forms of asbestos that were federally regulated so I concentrated on learning the RI of those six different crystals. RI was not really one of the tests I performed. But I did use the physical properties of the Oil's RI to help see the asbestos crystals better. If you put a asbestos crystal with one RI into a oil that has a very different RI then that makes the asbestos crystal stand out like a sore thumb. It enhances the contrast making the crystal much easier to see.

I would guess that fishing line that's much different than the water's ri would also stand out like a sore thumb.

I don't really know if they can make a plastic that's has the same RI as water but they may. I just don't know the answer to that question.

Maybe later on I will research that question and see what I can find out.

That would be cool to see. I sure hope he gets that surgery done property and fully recovers. I can't hardly believe all the things he has been though in the last few months. Elwood live not far from me for a while and he fished some of the same lakes I fish. I never met him but still enjoyed his posts. He sure likes to fish for small mouth bass. I don't think the cold ever bothers him! LOL

[QUOTE=Moose1am;309442]That would be cool to see. I sure hope he gets that surgery done property and fully recovers. I can't hardly believe all the things he has been though in the last few months. Elwood live not far from me for a while and he fished some of the same lakes I fish. I never met him but still enjoyed his posts. He sure likes to fish for small mouth bass. I don't think the cold ever bothers him! LOL[/QUOTE]


Elwood's supposed to go home on Monday. We tried to get online at the hospital, but it was too aggravating.
I'm going down there to see him afterwhile. I'll see if I can't pull this thread up again so he can read it.

When it gets up and going we plan to do some filming at Dale.

Billy