Muslims in the US military

[QUOTE=patrick_campbell17;389058]let me preface by saying i am not trying to belittle the ft hood murders. this was a terrible event, and my heart goes out to the families, and armed services everywhere.

however, saying muslims are responsible for all the mass killings going on is the epitome of stereotyping. first of all, nobody knows the true motive for the ft hood killings, other than the guy was muslim. so if you truely want to dissect these murders and the motives for them, lets do it.

if the major WAS linked to a terrorist organization, dont you think his high rank could have been put to much bigger use? second, if he was truely planning to exact some sort of personal agenda, dont you think he could have planned a much greater attack killing hundreds? this is most likely a guy who decided to serve his country and suffered from a severe internal dilema of service to his country vs. the stereotyping of his people. this in combination with any PTSD or similar disorders could easily account for a severe mental disorder with violent intentions.

so should we ban muslims from our armed forces? well what we hear from our media is how violent muslims are. these reports are based upon the accounts of radical extremists. we never hear about the millions of average people who just so happen to be muslim. they engage in no more, if not less, violent activity than your average american(which just so happens to be one of the most violent "civilized" populations in the world).

remember timothy mcveigh? he was irish catholic, and supposedly exacting revenge for waco, an extremist christian group. he was also in the military. what about the IRA, they're not muslim either. you might also look at the ETA in spain. but what do i know about this stuff?

there is also a little thing called seperation of church and state. this encompasses our head of state and military. what does it matter what religion someone is? THEY ALL have extremist groups, and THEY ALL do rotten stuff, the only difference is the name behind these organization.

i was always told never judge someone until you walk a mile in there shoes.[/QUOTE]

READ THIS and maybe you can make some corrections in your post.
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We are not talking about religious persecution here, however, it is always convenient to throw the "separation of church and state" balony out when you don't know what you're talking about. How do you separate church and state when The Constitution was founded on religious freedom? It did not say freedom FROM religion; it said freedom OF religion."

I'm sure you impressed yourself with your post, however, you misdiagnosed Hasan as having PTSD and calling it a "severe mental disorder." In one out of ten Americans, who have had a traumatic event, it causes a cascade of psychological and biological changes known as PTSD. It can be something like car and airplane accidents, sexual assaults & domestic violence, natural disasters such as hurricanes, earthquakes & tornadoes, and can affect multiple people simultaneously. War trauma or injuries can also cause PTSD. Women are four times more likely than men to develop PTSD. Simply put, PTSD is a state in which "you can't stop remembering the event." I won't go into explaining the recall time frame and constants of it. I believe you need a few more whiskers on your chin and a lot more education before you start practicing psychology.

I have suffered from PTSD because of four traumatic events within a short time frame. I am not remotely mentally ill and definitely not "severely mentally ill." Guess who is a Psychologist and recognized that I had PTSD? It wasn't another doctor.

A person suffering from PTSD is treated by a Psychologist or Psychiatrist. Wasn't Hasan a psychologist? Would he not be the first to recognize that he suffered from PTSD and also know how to treat himself? Certainly being of Muslim faith combined with being deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan did not cause PTSD and make him go on a murdering spree. Remember WHO he was killing; soldiers returning from the war. Nobody forced him to join the military, he volunteered, and I believe it was with the full intention of killing as many Americans as possible. This is based on statements he made to known Radical Muslims. It had nothing to do with religious persecution because that did not happened. He was evil to the core from the time he was a teenager.

[QUOTE=patrick_campbell17;389075]just so you know, i am not a liberal, if anything i believe more-so in the conservative side. i believe very strongly in the constitution, and i love this country. i love having the freedom to be able to speak out against social problems, like violence. my biggest love of all though, which is why i have chosen my life's path, is standing up for those who cannot, and protecting those who are defenseless. i have and always will be the one who stands up against wrongs in this country that i love so dearly.

maybe i did misunderstand this, and you are entitled to your own opinion. issues like this really get under my skin, and i usually try and stay out of them, i see this as a serious social problem due to the fact that some people take it too far(not directed at anyone, just saying).

and as far as mistrust, that is your right. the only reason i even chimed in, is because there are plenty of good, allah fearing people out there, i know because i have met them. and there are plenty of bad ones as well, i have met them too.

the one thing i wanted to get across is that, there are good and bad of all people.[/QUOTE]

"I love being able to speak out against social problems like violence. My biggest love of all though, which is why I have chosen my life's path, is standing up for those who cannot, and protecting those who are defenseless."

It's easy to stand around and run your mouth; what are you DOING? When did you see the sick and comfort him; the hungry and feed him; the naked and clothe him; the abused child and rescue him; the homeless and shelter him or give him a blanket? I'm talking about needy people here in America. Talk is cheap and worthless and there is plenty to go around.

If enough cowards from this country would sign up we wouldnt need to rely on a muslim to take your place! I served, what say you?

[QUOTE=slippedcork;389132]If enough cowards from this country would sign up we wouldnt need to rely on a muslim to take your place! I served, what say you?[/QUOTE]

I didn't serve but would have without hesitation if called upon, even to this day even though I'm too old and they wouldn't take me. Almost joined the Corp out of High School but chased a girl To Michigan, she unfortunately was all I could think about at the time, litterally, lol. However my family has a long list of men who did.

Father WWII Fighting Sea Bee in the South Pacific Theater
Uncle also Navy WWII European theater
First Cousin, lifer in the Air Force, has almost 26 years in. Trains people how to fly serveilance Drones.
Another cousin retired from the USMC after 20 years. Vietnam veteran
Another cousin lifer in the Army.
Oldest brother turned down for the Vietnam War because of flat feet, what a joke he could out run a deer at the time. He tried three times to go because some of his buddies had to and they wouldn't let him in.

[QUOTE=slippedcork;389132]If enough cowards from this country would sign up we wouldnt need to rely on a muslim to take your place! I served, what say you?[/QUOTE]

Wow! Thats rough.:)

Well said Patrick, well said.

HDF

[QUOTE=DJD;389160]Wow! Thats rough.:)[/QUOTE]

....and very wrong. Not everyone can serve and not everyone should serve. The young handicapped person longs to serve but he can't get out of the wheelchair. HE'S NOT A COWARD. The young mother with a new baby should not serve. SHE'S NOT A COWARD, SHE IS A MOTHER. The son of a sick widow doesn't need to serve, he is already doing everything he can just feed and care for his mother. HE IS NOT A COWARD.

I'll bet you a dollar Slippedcork is calling people a coward because he thinks it makes him sound tough and brave. I wonder if he has ever been outside the United States. He is probably one of those people that calls others a "Communist" and doesn't even know what communism is or how it started. I think I need to vomit.

I served 8 years,but thats what makes us so great of a country.You get to chose to serve or not,that doesnt make one that doesnt a coward.But we do need to fix our problem on who we let in our armed services.Dont think it will be anytime soon with our current person in office.He is a joke.

I served 4 years in the military, and I'm never short for an opinion.

We are giving this country away to political correctness. Bottom line is MUSLIMs have been killing innocent people up since the 1960's. Consistently, not just a few isolated incidents.

This Ft. Hood killer might as well have had a sign on his back, but nobody would stand up and do anything about him because it would cost them dearly to do so. The liberals, the news media, Patrick (nothing against you bud, I'm just saying), and his ilk have made political incorrectness a worse crime than anything else.

Fact: 99 percent of terrorists world wide are Muslims. The first picture that comes to mind when you think of a terrorist is a middle eastern male. You say that isn't true you're a liar.

Fact: The Islamic/Muslim faith for whatever reason spawns hundreds of thousands of people who believe they're justified in killing anyone who doesn't prescribe to their religious beliefs. In fact they're martyrs with virgins waiting for them in heaven if they kill themselves and take 'infidels' with them.

Fact: If you don't treat Muslims with suspicion you're a fool.

Preach tolerance all you want, but facts are facts.



My sincere thanks to all our military service people!

[QUOTE=mhall;389158]I didn't serve but would have without hesitation if called upon, even to this day even though I'm too old and they wouldn't take me. Almost joined the Corp out of High School but chased a girl To Michigan, she unfortunately was all I could think about at the time, litterally, lol. However my family has a long list of men who did.

Father WWII Fighting Sea Bee in the South Pacific Theater
Uncle also Navy WWII European theater
First Cousin, lifer in the Air Force, has almost 26 years in. Trains people how to fly serveilance Drones.
Another cousin retired from the USMC after 20 years. Vietnam veteran
Another cousin lifer in the Army.
Oldest brother turned down for the Vietnam War because of flat feet, what a joke he could out run a deer at the time. He tried three times to go because some of his buddies had to and they wouldn't let him in.[/QUOTE]
Hey Mark, I should have never used the word coward! Sounds like you got some good blood in ya.;)

Oldest brother: 26 years U.S. Army Green Beret (deceased...agent orange)
Older brother: 26 years U.S. Air Force Special Ops...Blackbirds
Younger brother: 4 years Navy...nuclear subs
Me: 12 years USMC infantry and aviation 14 years U.S. Army infantry

Dad: Did not serve
Mother: Did not serve

Both my parents did not serve...but they could have kicked your ass any day of the week and twice on Sunday without blinking an eye and would have if they thought you deserved it.

We all serve in our own way to make this country great.

[QUOTE=slippedcork;389132]If enough cowards from this country would sign up we wouldnt need to rely on a muslim to take your place! I served, what say you?[/QUOTE]

GREAT choice of words slipped.......

Lets see.......I did not serve, Medical.....but here is a list for ya.......

GrandFather........Mom's side.......WWII, Korea....20 year man.
GrandFather........Dad's side........WWII, Korea.....20 year man.

Dad.....Korea, VietNam 2 tours.......battle field commission first tour.......30 year man.....TUNNEL RAT when he was there.

Uncle Don.......Korea, VietNam.........30 year Navy.......Retired as Commander, SUBS......Chased Russians all over the WORLD......great stories.

Uncle Paul......Stationed in Alaska during VietNam......got LUCKY.
Uncle Jim.......VietNam........nearly came home in a body bag......actually spent 8 hours in one......LONG STORY..........Now, a PROUD disabled vet.

Uncle Larry....Dad's SIDE..........20 year man....ARMY.
Uncle Bill.......Dad's SIDE..........20 year man......Marines.

Younger Brother Tony............6 years.......ARMY.
Older Brother Bill.............2 years Army......Discharged Medical.

And I will tell you this........EVERY ONE of them would KICK your BUTT for your choice of words.......You my friend, sound like the COWARD.