Health Care Bill is Passed

[QUOTE=Bobby Headrick;406779]It wolud have been nice to have a thing as universial healrth care like Canada and Eurpre have, this bill is not like that but is a start. I would rather pay a little higher taxes and have healt care than to pay OUTRAGIOUS INS PREMIUMS AND CO PAYS AND DED. My mother died of cancer, leukimiea, my dad had a great UNION job and had good health ins, so he thought, the co pays and ded BANKRUPT him, he lost it all due to my mom getiing a diease that she did not ask for. TO hear some of you grumble over a few extra tax dollars, we spend billions on illegals for health ins why not the citizens,I wanted universial coverage like Europe and Canada, cause noone there LOSSES EVERYTHING WHEN THEY GET SICK, Why cause they do not have privite health ins cos that run their medical and health systems. BTW my moms bills after the ins co's pd and also some things they DENIED, why cause they could cause it cut into their PROFIT, those bills totaled over 1 MILLION, so you say well we should save for these things, who on here has 1 MILLION saved. Cancer killed my mother but greed ruined my dad. Was not enough to lose his wife of 35 yrs but also their home and everything else. And the sad thing is is that he is not the only one to lose everything due to illness.[/QUOTE]

Out of the million$ in bills, how much was actually paid out of pocket? What's a reasonable amount? 10% which in this case would be 100,000. 5% which is 50,000. Somebody or some group has to pick up the slack for the rest of the tab. There are literally millions of examples like this one nationwide. With the life expectancy expanding and people multiplying by the bazillions combined with all the latest and greatest technological advances it just won't work. The amount of healthy people that don't have any claims just can't shoulder the burden any more.

[QUOTE=Arauthator;406788]I hear what you are saying Bobby. Don't let some of these guys get to ya. Most act all big and bad and full of negativity on a forum, but I'm willing to bet NONE are willing to walk into a hospital and say the same things to those who are sick and in need of something like this bill. Of which quite a few will never get off their death bed.

Look at it this way, the jokes about Obama and the Health Care Plan are actually pretty funny. But the reality is, the country has already changed because IT WILL be law come 2014. Just pray that the reform passes when it goes back to the Senate for the second time. I know you would never wish what happened to you upon another individual. Just realize, though it seems like others on this forum do wish that upon people, they really don't wish people would die. It just appears that way.[/QUOTE]

Nobody's wishing bad will on any other individual. The cold hard reality of it may be that people do just need to die. When somebody had a heart attack 30 years ago - they died. Now, they get a $10,000 clot busting medication in the ER, get shipped to the cath lab or have bypass surgery or something like that that racks up $50k or so, then get discharged on 5 new medications that cost $500 a month. And their copay for the whole ordeal $1500 out of pocket. You can't get all that and expect to pay next to nothing for it.

It's easy for me to say I'm a healthy individual. But looking at it from an objective standpoint the money going out far surpasses the money coming in and it's going further down the wrong way with each passing day.

[QUOTE=Arauthator;406772][B]The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." --Proverbs 29:7[/B][/QUOTE]

You should be ashamed of yourself for characterizing those who oppose government-run health insurance as wicked people with no concern for the poor. It is "Christians" like you who give the rest of us a bad name.

[QUOTE=Arauthator;406772][B]The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." --Proverbs 29:7[/B][/QUOTE]
geez

[QUOTE=psprowler;406789]Out of the million$ in bills, how much was actually paid out of pocket? What's a reasonable amount? 10% which in this case would be 100,000. 5% which is 50,000. Somebody or some group has to pick up the slack for the rest of the tab. There are literally millions of examples like this one nationwide. With the life expectancy expanding and people multiplying by the bazillions combined with all the latest and greatest technological advances it just won't work. The amount of healthy people that don't have any claims just can't shoulder the burden any more.[/QUOTE]

Bingo, prowler nailed it, someone has to pay the bill guys. I hate it for Bobby's father I really do, I dang sure hate it for Billy and his family, it stinks. My mother has been in the hospital in Acute care since December the 14th till right now, what do you guys think that is gonna cost...... So my big and bad attitude on this preacher man does have a dog in this fight. But I also know somebody has to feed the bulldog and I don't expect somebody else to pay my or mines way, that's all I'm saying. Does it stink sure it does but that's just the way things are, somebody has to pay the piper. My Mother is getting better and there is a real possibilty that she is gonna make it out of that place and live a decent life for what she may have left. She we probably be flat broke when it's over despite having a Kentucky state retirement insurance and Medicare and Medicaide.

[QUOTE=Arauthator;406772][B]The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." --Proverbs 29:7[/B][/QUOTE]

Oh come on now..you can't drop bombs like that and be taken seriously. I understand you feel you just got a boost because Barry and Co. have just taken money from me and given it to you but I ask you how is that fair? I call it stealing but thats just me.

I'm not going to seach the bible for a verse to combat what you just quoted because we could do that all day. Still think it was unfair.

To get back on point we all agree that something had to be done. Very few have the confidence in these elected goons to do anything right much less take more money from tax paying folks to redistribute to others.

Don't you think it would have been nice to fix what we have as opposed to a Bill of more gubment fumbling?

BTW...I think the post office might be reducing some of their services soon even after raising prices on a constant basis for years. Isn't social security suppose to be bankrupt? Wonder who runs those?? Just a thought...

[QUOTE=jcb;406792]You should be ashamed of yourself for characterizing those who oppose government-run health insurance as wicked people with no concern for the poor. It is "Christians" like you who give the rest of us a bad name.[/QUOTE]

All the guy did was post a verse of scripture and it speaks for itself. If you don't like it, take it up with God. He didn't call anyone wicked or give us a bad name, that came from you.

There is much yet to be done on the healthcare reform before it goes into effect which will be 2014 but we will be paying into it for four years before then. I think that with the ten states filing lawsuits to keep it out of their states, there will probably be some reorganizing and pruning of the program. jmo

To prowler, maybe some shou die, my mother was Barely 50, sje did not just need to die and also PROWLER my dad still is paying on those bills, yes he picked up the tab. I am offended that someone has the BALLS to say that my mother needed to DIE. PROWLER i hope this never happens to you but if it does. I will not stoop that low.

I gaurantee I have concern for the poor, most especially the poor who can't find any work right now because the economy is so screwed up. Or the eldery who are poor simply because their health is failing or they're living longer than they ever thought they would and now they're running low on funds, my wife's mom falls into this category, my own parents are falling into this category.

The "poor" I don't feel sorry for are the idiots who "say" they can't get a decent job, but in reality they've figured out the system, they've figured out how to get by in this world without reporting to a job 40+ hours per week, maybe they're getting government assistance or maybe they're shacking up with some broad with a couple of babies and she's drawing government money on her kids AND helping to support some loser at the same time, it is THESE types of people who will be getting the healthcare ride with the help of me, and you, and you.

I'm not here to argue about religeon, but at the same time I don't care for it being pushed on me either.

[QUOTE=Arauthator;406788]I hear what you are saying Bobby. Don't let some of these guys get to ya. Most act all big and bad and full of negativity on a forum, but I'm willing to bet NONE are willing to walk into a hospital and say the same things to those who are sick and in need of something like this bill. Of which quite a few will never get off their death bed.
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Ok another unfair remark. man your full of those today:confused:. So to play this game..What if those people you speak of have done nothing but abused the system and because of that put honest tax paying people on hold to get legit transplants? What if they are terrorists who have killed hundreds of innocent people? Or what if they were rapists and murderers? What if they were politicians?? Ok it's getting silly but my point is this.

What we are saying is this Bill could have been written differently. We as a country need to hold people responsible for their actions and stop looking at others to pay the bill!

Sob stories are a great way to get sympathy but speaking for myself I'm talking about policy not going down the imaginary trail of what if.....Lets let Walt Disney and Al Gore deal with fantasy ok?

BTW...what about the Veterans who have placed their life on the line and or sacrifced their lives for this country and get treated like dog poo? Wonder why we never had a nation wide out cry for them? Maybe because it's not politically advantagous? Maybe there are not enough of them to matter come election day?

Have you ever seen what our gubment puts them through? Of course your happy that your getting your slice of the pie right? What about them? You willing to give to them as they need it and have been for YEARS!

Some of you guys crack me up.

2 Things, people will not start loving God or resolve this nations health care on Fishin.com.

Check please.

[QUOTE=Arauthator;406788]I hear what you are saying Bobby. Don't let some of these guys get to ya. Most act all big and bad and full of negativity on a forum, but I'm willing to bet NONE are willing to walk into a hospital and say the same things to those who are sick and in need of something like this bill. Of which quite a few will never get off their death bed.

Look at it this way, the jokes about Obama and the Health Care Plan are actually pretty funny. But the reality is, the country has already changed because IT WILL be law come 2014. Just pray that the reform passes when it goes back to the Senate for the second time. I know you would never wish what happened to you upon another individual. Just realize, though it seems like others on this forum do wish that upon people, they really don't wish people would die. It just appears that way.[/QUOTE]

I was going to leave this alone but after this post there's no way. I don't wish anything bad on anyone or act big and bad, I call it exactly the way I see it. I'll do so face-to-face with you or anyone else. If that 'gets to ya', too bad.

No, I wouldn't go into a hospital say the same things, that'd be crude and pointless. Pretty ludicrous of you to put it that way. Would you stand on a street corner and ask everyone that comes by to pay for your living and medical expenses?

Your mindset of looking to the government to cure all your ills while ignoring their track record is myopic. Then again those "what's in it for me?" glasses give one a pretty myopic view. If the government takes over, remember what I said when you're standing in line for your periodic review of your social security/medicaid payments. For your sake I hope the government bureaucrat is in a good mood.

Quoting scripture to try and shame others to your way of thinking doesn't work either, I still disagree with forced government wealth redistribution.