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DONE. I have a buddy that works for the department of water as a biologist. He said that once the lead gets out of the oxygen column it won't break down and harm anything. Buy the way he pours all of his own baits.
I have several hundred pounds of lead so if the ban goes into affect, it will take a year or two for it to effect me lol.
[URL]http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/home.html#documentDetail?R=0900006480b3f0cd[/URL]
This is a continuation of what I posted earlier...go to this EPA website and make a comment if you oppose the lead ban in fishing tackle. ALL COMMENTS MUST BE SUBMITED BY SEPTEMBER 15!!!
[QUOTE=avidbasser;425950]If I remember right there ARE states that have banned lead. California comes to mind. If you go to many sports shop all they carry is tungsten.[/QUOTE]
lead is not banned in cali. They just warning label on everything.
[QUOTE=barkleyhawggitter;425937]i guess you want to bring back lead shot for ducks, leaded gasoline, lead paint, asbestos etc. **** on a lead weight for several days in a row if you think it is safe post your medical records and let us know how it turns out.[/QUOTE]
Your trying to compare apples to oranges here bud. allow me to rebutt, whats the problem with shooting a duck with lead shot? You afraid he might die?! And don't say its the lead left on the ground that COULD kill other birds becuase the science, namely from the above mentioned article, proves that LESS than 1% of birds are killed by ingestion of lead which doesn't constitute a ban on lead shot for less than 1% mortality, use common sense, if it were killing 20% or something along those lines then yes you might want to ban it, but for less than 1% the cost benefit doesn't add up. Would you ban cheeseburgers becuase they may be linked to heart disease? c'mon get realisti. As for gasoline and paint lead in those things obviously shouldn't be used. Gas for one is used by primarily everyone and with abundant and cheaper methods available today to reduce engine knocking there is no use for leaded gasoline except in rare cases. Paint is obvious becuase it would cover almost 100% of alot of people's surface area in their homes. and Asbestos...I don't even know why you even mentioned that, what does that have to do with a ban on lead? your post has no merit and your arguments are a FAIL! Try using deductive reasoning and common sense. weigh the cost benefit of banning lead tackle. your going to increase the cost of a sport and an industry by upwards of 100% in order to save less than 1% of POSSIBLE bird mortality. GET REAL!:mad:
[QUOTE=MagikSmallie;425889][URL]http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/bassmaster/conservation/news/story?page=b_con_LeadTackleBanProposed_100901[/URL]
We have got to stop Barack Obama, Lisa Jackson, and the EPA this is really starting to get absurd. Outdoorsmen, we must stand up for ourselves becuase beleive me no one is going to do it for us. Hunters your next, after this it'll be a "Proposed Ban on Lead Bullets". And they wonder why Americans are so fed up and angry with our Government!!![/QUOTE]
Well lets see, I used to be able to eat one Ohio river fish every 6 months, but now I think they may have changed that to one every two years. Mercury, PCBs and lead in Kentucky river fish, not real sure if I can eat my catch from there either. So lets just panic over any attempts to protect our environment. References to Obama and payback to left wing is just obsurd. These issues have been being studied for 10+ years. Lead contamination has been known to cause a multitude of problems in both humans and wildlfe since the 1930s. Developmental delays in children, nurological disorders. Believe it or not lead does contaminate water. My well is no longer drinkable.
I think I will use the steel weights as much as I can. Let those that are experts research the issues, avoid idiodic associations like Obama out to get me and take my fishing pole away. These are some of the same arguments made for DDT, asbetos and the other better living through chemicals era.
Now lets look at the reference to "special interest groups". The NRA is a special interest group. Yes I support the NRA and I am a member of a special interest group. So the lable of special interest group is really abused. Special interest groups do help by making people aware of all the issues involved in a issue or subject and can serve as a checks and balances mechanism.
So it appears that special interest groups have a good purpose as well.
So lets leave the politicts out of this board. Obama really does not control science studies. Lobby for issues that are of concern to you but try to stick to the facts and leave the left wing/right wing crap to the politicians.
[QUOTE=kydonky;425994]Well lets see, I used to be able to eat one Ohio river fish every 6 months, but now I think they may have changed that to one every two years. Mercury, PCBs and lead in Kentucky river fish, not real sure if I can eat my catch from there either. So lets just panic over any attempts to protect our environment. References to Obama and payback to left wing is just obsurd. These issues have been being studied for 10+ years. Lead contamination has been known to cause a multitude of problems in both humans and wildlfe since the 1930s. Developmental delays in children, nurological disorders. Believe it or not lead does contaminate water. My well is no longer drinkable.
I think I will use the steel weights as much as I can. Let those that are experts research the issues, avoid idiodic associations like Obama out to get me and take my fishing pole away. These are some of the same arguments made for DDT, asbetos and the other better living through chemicals era.
Now lets look at the reference to "special interest groups". The NRA is a special interest group. Yes I support the NRA and I am a member of a special interest group. So the lable of special interest group is really abused. Special interest groups do help by making people aware of all the issues involved in a issue or subject and can serve as a checks and balances mechanism.
So it appears that special interest groups have a good purpose as well.
So lets leave the politicts out of this board. Obama really does not control science studies. Lobby for issues that are of concern to you but try to stick to the facts and leave the left wing/right wing crap to the politicians.[/QUOTE]
Your right about contamination of the rivers however it isn't lead fishing tackle that is the culprit. The amount of contamination by lead fishing tackel is negligible when compared to other lead pollutants in rivers, lakes, and streams. If you ban the use of lead fishing tackle do you really think the PPM of lead in the Ohio River, KY River or any other body of water is going to be lower? C'mon! And I would love to leave politics out of this, however it's politics thats driving this! The Enviros complain about every little thing and obama must appease them with his puppet Lisa Jackson (EPA). And thats just the reality of the situation.
You're KIDDING right.......the Obamunists are passing some of the most politically motivated environmental GARBAGE ever.
* This lead issue.
* Offshore and Inshore fishing regulations. VERY STRINGENT regulations that may very well lead to fishing bans.
* The single largest land grab in the history of the government.
* CAFE Standards that continue to keep the auto companies down.
* Offshore drilling ban.
So.........keep saying it is not an Obama Issue. While you're at it, hit the crak pipe a couple more times.
Later,
Geo
[QUOTE=GeoFisher;426000]You're KIDDING right.......the Obamunists are passing some of the most politically motivated environmental GARBAGE ever.
* This lead issue.
* Offshore and Inshore fishing regulations. VERY STRINGENT regulations that may very well lead to fishing bans.
* The single largest land grab in the history of the government.
* CAFE Standards that continue to keep the auto companies down.
* Offshore drilling ban.
So.........keep saying it is not an Obama Issue. While you're at it, hit the crak pipe a couple more times.
Later,
Geo[/QUOTE]
Truth Be Told!
[QUOTE=kydonky;425994]Well lets see, I used to be able to eat one Ohio river fish every 6 months, but now I think they may have changed that to one every two years. Mercury, PCBs and lead in Kentucky river fish, not real sure if I can eat my catch from there either. So lets just panic over any attempts to protect our environment. References to Obama and payback to left wing is just obsurd. These issues have been being studied for 10+ years. Lead contamination has been known to cause a multitude of problems in both humans and wildlfe since the 1930s. Developmental delays in children, nurological disorders. Believe it or not lead does contaminate water. My well is no longer drinkable.
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So what did that rant have to do with fishing tackle? Have you been dropping sinkers or lead shot down your well?
Lead is inert in the environment as we use it in tackle and lead shot. When ingested it reacts with acids in the stomach and dissolves to a small enough size to become soluable in the blood. That is when you have problems. Likewise lead vapor from leaded gasolines is of a small enough molecular size that is able to pass through the cellular membrane in the lungs.
Buy the hyped up, no-science backed, claims that the gov and anti-hunting/anti-fishing bunny huggers are pushing. Would we all be "safer" if lead ws banned? Sure. Same thing with mercury, arsenic, petroleum products, and coal. Can we afford to live as we do without them? I doubt it.
[QUOTE=kydonky;425994]Well lets see, I used to be able to eat one Ohio river fish every 6 months, but now I think they may have changed that to one every two years. Mercury, PCBs and lead in Kentucky river fish, not real sure if I can eat my catch from there either.[/QUOTE]
Actually, you can eat more now than once was recomended. You can eat one meal a month of catfish out of the river or six in a year if they are over 21 inches. The reason for that is mercury, not lead fishing weights.
I honestly feel that the bottom line is this, if we the american people dpn't start standing up and saying " We have had enough!" then this and many others activities along with our lives will get much much worse and the do gooders will be running everything for us because they know what is best for us. The fact is that most I repeat, MOST of the lead that is in our water comes from factory discharges. Period As for lead banned for waterfowl use, try this, I did. Put about 4"s of mud in a jar and then fill it with water. Put some lead pellets in it and wait. The pellets end up on the bottom of the jar over time and I have never seen nor know of any duck that sticks its bill 4"s or more in the mud to eat anything. It's all a hoax except that there are people in this world that simply want to run our lives because they feel they know whats better for the rest of us. Instead of listening to everyone else including myself, is it not better to think for yourself and form your own conclusions? I have heard it said, " I can educate you but I cannot teach you to think" If lead is a serious problem that we are told it is then I would be happy to use something else. However, think about this, lead as been around forever and how many people do you know that have lead poison?
There will always be leaded gasoline as long as there are piston airplanes...