Gas prices

[QUOTE=GeoFisher;481423]E85.......you're KIDDING, RIGHT.......

It gives you less fuel economy, steals from our foodsource, and COSTS more to manufacture than gasoline.

No......how about we open all of our drilling leases, and FLOOD the market with our oil. PUT OPEC out of business. After all they cannot eat their oil. Play on OUR playing field, or don't play.

And the reason is obvious.........Your and Ron Pauls' friend AmadinnaNUTJOB in Iran is practicing closing the strait of hormuz. That waterway ships 1/5 of the worlds oil. Without it, Oil markets collapse.

Future price of oil is reflecting this DIRECT action.......but hey, the United States has no interest in IRAN, right......It is NOT OUR BUSINESS, right.....

If it is not our business.....Stop complaining about oil prices.

Later,

Geo[/QUOTE]

LOL your reason for editing was great!!!!!

I wonder at what point americans actually get tired of this crap? We are sitting on and around plenty of oil but play happy time with all these countries that control our oil and let "green" freaks control our legislators and potus.
Let gas hit $4-$5 a gallon for the summer and see what happens to this economy. Maybe then someone with an applesack will say thats enough:confused:.
The politicians kick this "oil crisis" can down the road each time it comes up. Any decision that is made to help reduce our dependency on foreign oil is gonna take years to actually feel any relief on.
Sure, if Iran was wiped clean off the map, we started building refineries, deepwater offshore drilling resumed, ANWR drilling started and building the keystone pipeline happened it still takes time to get any real relief. BTW...obamy still has this deepwater drilling tied up in courts. This is gonna hurt him as well come election time....Thousands of dormant jobs, dormant oil production and high gas prices.

[URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-03/u-s-administration-in-contempt-over-gulf-drill-ban-judge-rules.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=GeoFisher;481423]E85.......you're KIDDING, RIGHT.......

It gives you less fuel economy, steals from our foodsource, and COSTS more to manufacture than gasoline.

No......how about we open all of our drilling leases, and FLOOD the market with our oil. PUT OPEC out of business. After all they cannot eat their oil. Play on OUR playing field, or don't play.

And the reason is obvious.........Your and Ron Pauls' friend AmadinnaNUTJOB in Iran is practicing closing the strait of hormuz. That waterway ships 1/5 of the worlds oil. Without it, Oil markets collapse.

Future price of oil is reflecting this DIRECT action.......but hey, the United States has no interest in IRAN, right......It is NOT OUR BUSINESS, right.....

If it is not our business.....Stop complaining about oil prices.

Later,

Geo[/QUOTE]

E85 is made in America

Does have less MPG but gives more HP

Sanctions on Iran for nuclear oversite are the reasons for tensions. Give them Carte Blanche to neuclear weapon?

Gas will soon surpass E85 in costs, the oil strangle hold is not going to let up. We need to look at alternatives now.

Flooding the market with US oil??? Like that would happen. I don't think Exxon or Marathon oil would process any more oil than they need to to maximize profit.

So I would rather pay 5-10% more for E85 knowing its made here in the US than sent that money to Saudia Arabia.

Now if we are going to confront these extremist we are going to have to make the effort/sacrifice. Commit to alterative energy sources, conserve what we can in gas consuption, start investing in the USA instead of China.

[QUOTE=DJD;481435]Let gas hit $4-$5 a gallon for the summer and see what happens to this economy.[/QUOTE]

Looking like it will hit $4 this weekend at the rate of increase I'm seeing......it was $3.75 this morning at the station by my house in south Louisville.

[QUOTE=kydonky;481436]E85 is made in America

Does have less MPG but gives more HP[/QUOTE]

I know that with my truck, E85 has to be at least $1 less per gallon than regular for me to see any benefit.......without taking into account the additional maintenance required that comes with using E85....

If I take the additional maintenance into account, then it has to be a substantially larger difference in price.

I haven't ran into a situation yet where E85 was a cheaper option, and I've had that truck since 2008.

[QUOTE=artcarney_agr;481438]Looking like it will hit $4 this weekend at the rate of increase I'm seeing......it was $3.75 this morning at the station by my house in south Louisville.[/QUOTE]

The last price gouge of 2005/2006 (+ or -) T. Bone pickens proposed an energy plan with a multi program approach. Wind, solar farms, ethanol production. Had investors ready to act. Said it was very feasable with gas prices at $4.00. Gas dropped back to $2.25 after he promoted his plan.making it less feasable and plans were dropped. No other factor to explain the price change.

So oil prices are manipulated, we need to get off the merry-go-round. And there is not going to be enough fossil fuels to carry us forever so we need to find alteratives now.

Said it before and I will say it now. Exxon does not charge less for gas from US oil than gas from Saudi oil. I don't want to put the future of the US economy and security in the hands of Exxon, Citco or BP.

[QUOTE=kydonky;481440]And there is not going to be enough fossil fuels to carry us forever so we need to find alteratives now. [/QUOTE]

Says who?

[QUOTE=artcarney_agr;481439]I know that with my truck, E85 has to be at least $1 less per gallon than regular for me to see any benefit.......without taking into account the additional maintenance required that comes with using E85....[/QUOTE]

Okay, after checking the numbers again, it's not quite $1, but close.

If you don't know your MPG with E85, here's a good source:
[url]http://fueleconomy.net/feg/bymake/bymanuNF.shtml[/url]

A handy calculator is found here to compare the cost of E85 vs. reg. unleaded:
[url]http://e85prices.com/[/url]

My truck is a 2006 Ford F150 4WD 5.4L V8
I'm getting about 14 mpg driving around here in the city of Louisville.

Comparatively, I'll get about 11 mpg with E85.

Reg. 87 gas this morning was $3.75 by my house.
E-85 was $3.15 here by work.

Using the calculator, E85 would need to be at $2.94 to be comparable to Reg. 87 at $3.75
-OR-
If E85 holds at $3.15, then 87 would have to hit $4.00 to see any benefit.

$3.75 in Frankfort at 8am, I decided to wait and fill up in Lexington. Good thing $3.47 at Speedway off the 110 exit. Gas light came on as I was on the off ramp so I got the max I could on that deal

[QUOTE=Netboy Extraordinaire;481445]$3.75 in Frankfort at 8am, I decided to wait and fill up in Lexington. Good thing $3.47 at Speedway off the 110 exit. Gas light came on as I was on the off ramp so I got the max I could on that deal[/QUOTE]

I have a "mad max" tanker in my back yard.........I hope the crazies don't start shooting over it.

Later,

Geo

[QUOTE=Netboy Extraordinaire;481445]$3.75 in Frankfort at 8am, I decided to wait and fill up in Lexington. Good thing $3.47 at Speedway off the 110 exit. Gas light came on as I was on the off ramp so I got the max I could on that deal[/QUOTE]

The sad part is that we are actually thinking $3.47 is a deal.

[QUOTE=artcarney_agr;481442]Okay, after checking the numbers again, it's not quite $1, but close.

If you don't know your MPG with E85, here's a good source:
[URL]http://fueleconomy.net/feg/bymake/bymanuNF.shtml[/URL]

A handy calculator is found here to compare the cost of E85 vs. reg. unleaded:
[URL]http://e85prices.com/[/URL]

My truck is a 2006 Ford F150 4WD 5.4L V8
I'm getting about 14 mpg driving around here in the city of Louisville.

Comparatively, I'll get about 11 mpg with E85.

Reg. 87 gas this morning was $3.75 by my house.
E-85 was $3.15 here by work.

Using the calculator, E85 would need to be at $2.94 to be comparable to Reg. 87 at $3.75
-OR-
If E85 holds at $3.15, then 87 would have to hit $4.00 to see any benefit.[/QUOTE]

EXACTLY.

My 2010 F150 4WD 5.4L V8 is a Flex Fuel vehicle and can take the E85...the problem is that E85 is a joke, and a lot of people don't understand what you posted above.

[QUOTE=artcarney_agr;481441]Says who?[/QUOTE]

Most educated geologists and other reasonable people that have discovered the world is round and that fossil fuels are a "limited" resource.