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I wouldn't be surprised - I see the Big10 doing about like the BigEast did last year minus UCONN. Just a gut feeling though I don't think this is going to be the year where their style of play meshes well against other tourney teams.
I'll be the first to say I hope I'm wrong.
[QUOTE=psprowler;482882]I wouldn't be surprised - I see the Big10 doing about like the BigEast did last year minus UCONN. Just a gut feeling though I don't think this is going to be the year where their style of play meshes well against other tourney teams.
I'll be the first to say I hope I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]
Ohio State, Tri-Co-Champions of the Big Ten, is limping to the house like a 3 legged dog. 4-3 in their last 7 games including 2 home losses. But somebody must love them because a last second victory over Michigan State jumped OSU from #12 last week to #7 this week. Jumped over Marquette and Murray State, who both did not lose and Marquette beat a solid Georgetown team to boot. You lose 3 out of your last 7 games and you are ranked #7 in the country???? After Kentucky, Syracuse, Kansas and North Carolina there is such a dropoff in teams that it isn't even funny. Kentucky has beaten 2 of these 3, Kansas and UNC, might as well make it a clean sweep and take out Syracuse in the title game in New Orleans.
[QUOTE=Netboy Extraordinaire;482863]"Put UK in the Big 10 and they lost at least 4-5 games total this year". What a joke!!! Ohio State, Michigan State and Michigan each lost 5 games to tie for the conference title and you are saying Kentucky loses 5 to make it a 4 way tie at the top? So basically, Kentucky is equal to OSU, MSU and Michigan ......... NOT!! Not a single Big 10 team comes within Double Digits of Kentucky in Rupp Arena and there is no way in this world that they lose 5 games on the road in the Big 10. OSU could not beat MSU or Wisconsin on their home floor in the past few weeks. Josh Harrelson equalized the Over-rated Jared Sullinger last year when the Cats sent the Buckeyes home. This year no Harrelson but a fella name Anthony Davis, you may have heard of him, controls the middle for Kentucky. Another guy named Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is a lockdown defender that Buford for OSU will have nightmares about after the game. Michigan, NEVER, Wisconsin, NEVER, Minnesota, NEVER, Purdue, NEVER, Iowa - Nebraska - Illinois, NOT. IU beat Kentucky and it took the game of their lives and Kentucky playing it's worst game of the year for them to win on a last second prayer 3 pointer. Count that loss in the Big 10 and then figure out where the other 4 come from. There won't be a single Big Ten team in the Elite 8 and it would not suprise me if only Michigan State was left after the first weekend of the Big Dance.[/QUOTE]
The Big 10 venues are much harder to play in those football crazy SEC gyms, not to mention we play basketball at a much higher level from top to bottom. The atmosphere in those buildings gives much more of a homecourt advantage. Do you really think that MSU, OSU, or UM could not beat them away from Rupp (IU did)? Thats crazy talk. I'll give you the fact that it would very difficult for any of those teams to win at Rupp. But on any given night the above mentioned teams could do it at their home gym. Part of the reason UK had their "worst" game of the year was because of the atmosphere in Assembly Hall....the noise....the tradition....so on and so forth. Its like that every night in gyms all around the Big 10....a little different than going to Miss. State....Georgia....Alabama.
As much of a UK fan as I am, any team can beat any team on a given night, and if you look at the Big Dance since it's inception (minus a couple years where UCLA was completely dominant), the "favorite" typically doesn't win it all...Not to mention that Cuse' is also 30-1 so what makes UK such a clear cut favorite to win it all....To be honest, I could see where any of 4 Big 10 schools could find theirselves in the title game...All it takes is getting hot at the right time, getting a good draw in your bracket and have some of the better teams get knocked out by teams playing over their head for one game...The same could be said for the SEC...The way Vandy and Florida fire the 3's, if they get hot they can compete with anybody...I expect UK to make it to the Elite 8 purely on talent, then anything can happen...There's gonna be a game where they don't play their best or have foul trouble, and it might take an IU last second shot for them to advance...Put UK out there on a bad night and I believe there are about 10-12 teams that COULD beat em
[QUOTE=lroberts;482895]The Big 10 venues are much harder to play in those football crazy SEC gyms, not to mention we play basketball at a much higher level from top to bottom. The atmosphere in those buildings gives much more of a homecourt advantage. Do you really think that MSU, OSU, or UM could not beat them away from Rupp (IU did)? Thats crazy talk. I'll give you the fact that it would very difficult for any of those teams to win at Rupp. But on any given night the above mentioned teams could do it at their home gym. Part of the reason UK had their "worst" game of the year was because of the atmosphere in Assembly Hall....the noise....the tradition....so on and so forth. Its like that every night in gyms all around the Big 10....a little different than going to Miss. State....Georgia....Alabama.[/QUOTE]
Michigan lost to Arkansas and Iowa, a couple of powerhouses, and home to Purdue. Ohio State is 4-3 in their last 7 games. These are 2 of the Big Ten Conference Champs. Michigan State is the team with the best shot at going far in the tourney but all the rest will be lucky to make it to the second weekend of the tourney.
I dont hate the big 10...Just BlowHio State and Mich State...
[QUOTE=Netboy Extraordinaire;482900]Michigan lost to Arkansas and Iowa, a couple of powerhouses, and home to Purdue. Ohio State is 4-3 in their last 7 games. These are 2 of the Big Ten Conference Champs. Michigan State is the team with the best shot at going far in the tourney but all the rest will be lucky to make it to the second weekend of the tourney.[/QUOTE]
You are not nearly as smart as I once thought you were....ANYTHING can happen in the dance. The two teams you mentioned are very solid all around...OSU beat Duke by like 30 this year....UM is better than anyone but UK in the SEC...so is MSU, IU, OSU and probably Wisconsin. Get it through your Blue faded mind that there are SEVERAL teams out there, not just from the Big 10, that can beat UK on any given night.....especially in the Big Dance. Now, could UK stroll through the tourney....maybe. But if you get Davis in foul trouble they come back to the talent level of a lot of teams in the tourney....thats part of what happened the game they did lose. I know what you're going to say next...we shot lights out...thats what we do....top three in the nation in 3 pt. shooting.
[QUOTE=lroberts;482927]You are not nearly as smart as I once thought you were....ANYTHING can happen in the dance. The two teams you mentioned are very solid all around...OSU beat Duke by like 30 this year....UM is better than anyone but UK in the SEC...so is MSU, IU, OSU and probably Wisconsin. Get it through your Blue faded mind that there are SEVERAL teams out there, not just from the Big 10, that can beat UK on any given night.....especially in the Big Dance. Now, could UK stroll through the tourney....maybe. But if you get Davis in foul trouble they come back to the talent level of a lot of teams in the tourney....thats part of what happened the game they did lose. I know what you're going to say next...we shot lights out...thats what we do....top three in the nation in 3 pt. shooting.[/QUOTE]
Did Davis get in foul trouble against IU, yes? Was that the main reason Kentucky lost, NO. I would love to see IU in the same bracket as Kentucky. IU fans have not been watching Kentucky the past 6 weeks since Terrence Jones has done the EXACT same thing he did last year. Jones has come to play the past 6 weeks unlike the 4 pt debacle headcase showing he had against IU. Davis has committed 60 fouls all season long. Less than 2 fouls per game on average. He is not the same player that IU saw 10 games into his Freshman season. 10 days away and let the Big Dance begin. I will take Kentucky and give the field. Just like you would probably take Indiana and give the field. EVERY bracket I have ever filled out has Kentucky winning the title. Whether I truly believed they could or would or not did/does not matter in me putting them as the National Title Champion. The difference this year is I believe they can and believe they will.
[QUOTE=lroberts;482927]You are not nearly as smart as I once thought you were....ANYTHING can happen in the dance. The two teams you mentioned are very solid all around...OSU beat Duke by like 30 this year....UM is better than anyone but UK in the SEC...so is MSU, IU, OSU and probably Wisconsin. Get it through your Blue faded mind that there are SEVERAL teams out there, not just from the Big 10, that can beat UK on any given night.....especially in the Big Dance. Now, could UK stroll through the tourney....maybe. But if you get Davis in foul trouble they come back to the talent level of a lot of teams in the tourney....thats part of what happened the game they did lose. I know what you're going to say next...we shot lights out...thats what we do....top three in the nation in 3 pt. shooting.[/QUOTE]
Arkansas beat Michigan by double digits,Arkansas is 10th in the SEC:rolleyes:
It's not the atmosphere at Big Ten venues so much as just a little too much homecooking by Big Ten Officiating.Yea,yea don't blame the refs,but I watch too many games with too many unevenly called games.If you have a fair whistle some of your teams including Indiana who can only win at home aren't so intimidating.
The NCAA Tourney is a whole different animal and anything can happen in a one and done tourney.UConn last year is a prime example.Just have to see what the matchups are,but I'll take my chances on UK.
Here's a link to a good website to compare teams and conferences.
[url]http://statsheet.com/mcb/conferences/compare?c2=big-ten&c1=sec[/url]
These are games that SEC teams won against the Big Ten
Kentucky > Penn State
LSU > Northwestern
Alabama > Purdue
Ole Miss > Penn State
Arkansas > Michigan
of course Indiana beat Kentucky and Ohio State beat Florida
Conference RPI is ranked like this
[url]http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html[/url]
#1 Big Ten
#2 Big East
#3 Big Twelve
#4 SEC
#5 Mountain West
#6 ACC
#7 Atlantic 10
#8 Missouri Valley
#9 CUSA
#10 Pac 12
[QUOTE=lroberts;482895]The Big 10 venues are much harder to play in those football crazy SEC gyms, not to mention we play basketball at a much higher level from top to bottom. The atmosphere in those buildings gives much more of a homecourt advantage.
Arkansas RPI #100 - Michigan RPI #11, Arkansas finishes 10th in the SEC, Michigan ties for the Big Ten Regular Season Title. Michigan travels to Arkansas. Arkansas beats Michigan and sends them back to Ann Arbor looking for Chris Webber. It is a dang good thing Arkansas is a "Football Cracy SEC Gym" because if the SEC ever added Basketball to their Universities, Michigan would have needed the entire Fab 5.
I know you are going to say, it just proves that on any day anybody can beat anybody. Parity is all across College Basketball. The top 5 conferences are seperated by less than 1.5 points in the RPI. But there is ONLY 1 team in America that has not had a Bad Loss on their schedule. I consider a Bad Loss as a Blowout loss or a Home Loss. Syracuse was blown out at Notre Dame, Kansas was blown out by Missouri and then was getting blown out by Missouri at Kansas when they came back and won the game in OT, North Carolina was blown out at Florida State plus lost at Home to Duke blowing a double digit lead. Duke lost at home to Florida State and was blown out by North Carolina. Michigan State lost at home to Ohio State, Ohio State lost at home to Michigan State and Wisconsin. Pick a contender and you will find a Bad Loss on their record, EXCEPT Kentucky. Kentucky won every home game, dominated the 4th best Conference by winning 13 of 16 games by 9 points or more. If losing to Indiana at Indiana is a Bad Loss, then Indiana is not that good. Indiana is pretty good for they finished 5th in the best conference in America and will be seeded as a #4 or #5 in the Big Dance. I will take my chances with the Favorite and that is Kentucky. I believe there is only 1 team in America that has a chance to beat them if everyone plays up to their potential and that is North Carolina. The only reason is Carolina's point guard is better than Kentucky's point guard. But, the next 6 players are advantage Kentucky - not by much but still advantage Kentucky
[QUOTE=Netboy Extraordinaire;482933]Did Davis get in foul trouble against IU, yes? Was that the main reason Kentucky lost, NO. I would love to see IU in the same bracket as Kentucky. IU fans have not been watching Kentucky the past 6 weeks since Terrence Jones has done the EXACT same thing he did last year. Jones has come to play the past 6 weeks unlike the 4 pt debacle headcase showing he had against IU. Davis has committed 60 fouls all season long. Less than 2 fouls per game on average. He is not the same player that IU saw 10 games into his Freshman season. 10 days away and let the Big Dance begin. I will take Kentucky and give the field. Just like you would probably take Indiana and give the field. EVERY bracket I have ever filled out has Kentucky winning the title. Whether I truly believed they could or would or not did/does not matter in me putting them as the National Title Champion. The difference this year is I believe they can and believe they will.[/QUOTE]
I will not take Indiana over the field...I don't think we are that good this year. Next year, that will be a different story with losing no starters and gaining the #2 recruiting class. Wow, take UK every year in the bracket....you have some serious Blue Vision!!!