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[QUOTE=waterdog101;501626]I worked the first 23 years of my Adult life for a none union company, and it was bad. the company superintendent had his 2 brothers, nephew and son working there. I can't name all the crooked things that went on with that company. different people doing the same job, and making different wages. I've worked the last 17 years on Union jobs. the Union has a set scale wage for different jobs, and if you and the foreman's son or brother, or his Mother are doing the same job. you will be payed the same wages. and your seniority, will change from job to job. you may be #1 on the seniority list on this job, and be last on the list on the next job. it's the most fair way to work a group of men that I have ever seen. I wish I could have worked my whole life on Union jobs. Union jobs are much better, than nonunion jobs, that are managed by superintendents that try and keep most of their family on the payroll.[/QUOTE]
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Same here, spent the last 35 years of my working life as a union member and I agree... Unions do a lot of the kinds of things a few of the fellas here accuse them of but the weakening of the unions seems to be seeing the return of the kinds of things you speak of, A shrinking paycheck is just one of the down sides... I hear people who work in manufacturing plants saying things like "if you want to keep your job you just keep your mouth shut" ... Working conditions had a lot to do with unions gaining strength years ago and the sad part is the folks who the unions are designed to stand behind will tell you how much they hate unions, the cooperate world has done a masterful job of turning people against unions and these same people now are working for half what union scale was 10 years ago and believing it to be a good paying job even though the person telling you that might be buying food for his kids with food stamps.
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One thing that I liked about the union was that there was different pay grades and that no one was jealous or thought bad about the ones that were doing better. Instead, the ones at the lower pay grades knew that someday they might have a shot at a better paying job. There were the poor, middle class and the rich so to speak. I wish our country had that same attitude. Instead the ones doing well are demonized and the ones in the bottom and middle are told that we can't get to the better paying jobs without the governments help.
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As I said earlier, there are lots of reasons to dislike unions, I just believe the good outweighs the bad.[/QUOTE]
Thank You!
Have been in and out of a handful of unions and I say its just like any other group anywhere.
Their are a few bad apples that ruin the batch.
Most union folk are hard working men and women of God. Then their are a few numb nuts that act like maniacs, don't think things out and have ridiculous demands. Imo, you can thank your public schooling system for this behavior and the parents who have kept their kids spoon fed and let them live in the nest until their 30 years old.
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[QUOTE=GeoFisher;501540]I prefer to believe the workers who drove THOUSANDS of miles over a corrupt New Jersey UNION BOSS.
Yea, I hate all unions.[/QUOTE]
I guess you hate me for being a union worker and part of the problem with the world.
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I understand unions are not for everyone but I can say they have to this day provided me a good life so far. In my trade there is no standing or leaning on a shovel handle and just sit around talking to people, if the contractor has no work or you are not producing money making work you will be laid off till work comes around. It is like that on both sides of the fence no work your going to probably get laid off. If someone was to ever ask a non union constuction worker on a prevailing wage job if he hates unions I dont think he would say that because of the pay scale he is earning. I usually hardly ever come on these boards anymore wheather it be off topic or ky discussion board because of stuff like this, no matter how much I disagree with somethings I will bite my tongue but this was to much to swallow. Honestly I have alot of friends that are non union in different trades and we talk to each other about our work but we dont say disrespecting stuff to each other no matter how much we disagree with some things. I will probably get bashed for this but I only think I am sticking up for myself and the union I belong to.
