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BTW, did I hear Mr. Obama was considering sending 'advisers' to the Syrian rebels?
Surely not, but if so maybe he should dig ole LBJ up and ask him how well that worked out.
He'd have to dig LBJ up and ask him, because if Mr. Obama were old enough to have lived in those days, he'd a been busy burning his draft card in between taking bong hits.
Congress has not had a word in over 50 years, on declaration of war.WHY Nobahma is the first president to follow the constitution since FDR. How did this crap start? The break up of the Ottaman empire,our allies, the british and French ignored all common sense, and created countrys that had no historical reason to exist. We started the ball going down hill later with the UN making a country, Isreal.The cold war deepened our involvement, when we supported, armed and trained Iranian troops to be a buffer against the east block.In Iran we trained their secret police[savak] who tortured and executed almost at will, with the shahs blessing, and our keeping silent.We know what happened afterwards.Then we aided Iraq in a war they started, with Iran.Its reported that we might have aided with intelligence Saddams use of chemical agents against Iranian soldiers and civilians.So whats the lesson here? KEP OUR NOSES OUT OF OTHER FOLKS WARS!!!. Nobahma was against our Iraq war when he was a senator.A lot of you guys wrap yourselfs around the constitution, theres a lot more to it than the second amendment.
[QUOTE=kygorski;520807]Congress has not had a word in over 50 years, on declaration of war.WHY Nobahma is the first president to follow the constitution since FDR. How did this crap start? The break up of the Ottaman empire,our allies, the british and French ignored all common sense, and created countrys that had no historical reason to exist. We started the ball going down hill later with the UN making a country, Isreal.The cold war deepened our involvement, when we supported, armed and trained Iranian troops to be a buffer against the east block.In Iran we trained their secret police[savak] who tortured and executed almost at will, with the shahs blessing, and our keeping silent.We know what happened afterwards.Then we aided Iraq in a war they started, with Iran.Its reported that we might have aided with intelligence Saddams use of chemical agents against Iranian soldiers and civilians.So whats the lesson here? KEP OUR NOSES OUT OF OTHER FOLKS WARS!!!. Nobahma was against our Iraq war when he was a senator.A lot of you guys wrap yourselfs around the constitution, theres a lot more to it than the second amendment.[/QUOTE]
DUDE......you seriously need a history lesson.
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The anti-U.N. stance stands in sharp contrast to the policy maintained by President George H. Bush, who sought and won U.N. and congressional approval prior to removing Iraqi forces from Kuwait in 1991.
Similarly, President George W. Bush sought and won a favorable U.N. resolution against Iraq in 2002, titled U.N. Security Resolution 1441. Bush said that resolution endorsed action against Iraq’s government for not fully disarming itself of chemical weapons following the 1991 war.
George W. Bush also got congressional approval prior to forcefully removing Iraq’s dictatorial government in 2003.
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Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2 all went to congress and GOT approval for action.
AND if you REALLY want to split hairs, Clinton didn't get approval the first time in Kosovo, and BOMBED the hell out of the Serbs anyways. He eventually won approval, but that was only after a second and third vote.
Later,
Geo
I know my history! Are you saying that the UN makes the rules that govern the US? You know my feelings about that organization, In many cases its anti American.. Has the UN ever paid us back for the costs of these " humanitarian" wars weve been in?
[QUOTE=kygorski;520807]Congress has not had a word in over 50 years, on declaration of war.WHY Nobahma is the first president to follow the constitution since FDR. How did this crap start? The break up of the Ottaman empire,our allies, the british and French ignored all common sense, and created countrys that had no historical reason to exist. We started the ball going down hill later with the UN making a country, Isreal.The cold war deepened our involvement, when we supported, armed and trained Iranian troops to be a buffer against the east block.In Iran we trained their secret police[savak] who tortured and executed almost at will, with the shahs blessing, and our keeping silent.We know what happened afterwards.Then we aided Iraq in a war they started, with Iran.Its reported that we might have aided with intelligence Saddams use of chemical agents against Iranian soldiers and civilians.So whats the lesson here? KEP OUR NOSES OUT OF OTHER FOLKS WARS!!!. Nobahma was against our Iraq war when he was a senator.A lot of you guys wrap yourselfs around the constitution, theres a lot more to it than the second amendment.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious. Did this all come straight out of your head, or did you surf it up?
There appear to be some compelling traces of truth about the middle east in there, but it's too jumbled for me to process.
Pretty interesting post, but you derailed it with the first 2 sentences. I assume you meant congress has not formally declared war in over 50 years.
I'm guilty of dismissing some of your stuff out of hand because it's too hard for me to understand, but this time your post got me thinking. Use some paragraphs and separate your thoughts a little. Not criticizing, just suggesting.
[QUOTE=Devils Horse;520811]I'm curious. Did this all come straight out of your head, or did you surf it up?
There appear to be some compelling traces of truth about the middle east in there, but it's too jumbled for me to process.
Pretty interesting post, but you derailed it with the first 2 sentences. I assume you meant congress has not formally declared war in over 50 years.
I'm guilty of dismissing some of your stuff out of hand because it's too hard for me to understand, but this time your post got me thinking. Use some paragraphs and separate your thoughts a little. Not criticizing, just suggesting.[/QUOTE]
I too like the content of the post. The UN and the Brits did create these middle east countries after the World Wars. They didn't take into consideration the ethnicity or people when they created these artificial boarders.
Didn't the entire middle east come out of the Ottoman Empire or the Persian Empire?
Grammer and syntax are not my strong suits. But being a liberal,or a pessemistI like to hear many sides of a discussion.One view fits all, isn't right.
I;m a skeptic. And when it comes to history, I always remember the quote that the victors write it.After awhile the dissenters begin to be heard. Some where in between is the truth.
[QUOTE=kygorski;520831]I;m a skeptic. And when it comes to history, I always remember the quote that the victors write it.After awhile the dissenters begin to be heard. Some where in between is the truth.[/QUOTE]
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The truth most of the time seems to be the proverbial needle in a haystack, as they say, there is always three sides to every story.
Using chemical weapons makes Assad a war criminal. We need to make sure this evidence is well handled and preserved, for all the world to see. And that being the case, why should we be taking military action all by ourselves? Especially when it's been make plain that "limited" (aka "surgical") strikes are not going to stop him from using them again, and may even provoke further attacks? I too am outraged at what Assad has done, and I think there has to be a response, but I'm equally outraged that we are rushing in there all by ourselves while the rest of the world sits on the hands. I think this evidence needs to be presented to the UN, and we should put Putin on notice that if Russia keeps being a roadblock there, our relationship is going to get a lot more frosty than it already is. "Hey Vlad, you think you're taking crap over discriminating against gays? You ain't seen nothin' yet!"
[QUOTE=Moveon;520815]I too like the content of the post. The UN and the Brits did create these middle east countries after the World Wars. They didn't take into consideration the ethnicity or people when they created these artificial boarders.
Didn't the entire middle east come out of the Ottoman Empire or the Persian Empire?[/QUOTE]
How far back do you want to go? :-)
If you want to get an idea of why this region is in turmoil, and perhaps always will be, check this out:
[URL]http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html[/URL]
the stockpile of WMD were an illusion before, when the Texans rushed in to destroy them. searched for years and spent 2 trillion dollars in Iraq, which breaks down to be around 6300.00 dollars for each person in the USA, could they be for real this time, or another illusion. I think if the USA would keep their nose out of other country's business, the threat from them to us would drop.