Global Warming scientists stranded by ........ICE

[QUOTE=Devils Horse;526558]Like never before since when? Since the last hundred years or so?

How do the left and their scientists explain PROVEN GW in the past before man was even a factor? Dinosaur flatulence?

My contention is you and those on left overestimate man's importance and impact on the earth's climate. When supposedly learned scientists state cows passing gas is a big problem, that enforces my point. Sounds more like left wing European flakes using GW scare tactics to push vegetarianism than science.

Far as attacking Mr. Obama and Al Gore, liars and hypocrites make that pretty easy to do.[/QUOTE]


Evidently you didn't read the information in the link I provided to Wikipedia. But that's ok. I didn't expect some of you to see the facts when they are right there in your face.

You show how silly you are when you talk about "Dinosaur Flatulence". That's going down to 3 rd grade level of intelligence. Funny fart jokes are funny but they don't counter any real facts from the real climate scientists at NOAA or the Academy of Science. If you really would like to know how the scientist figure out the climate of the earth in the past just ask a Geologist how they do it. You can probably go to the Geology Dept of either Purdue University or Indiana University or any other University such as UK or Louisville that has a Geology Dept. You could take a Historical Geology Class and learn about this too. That's what I did. There are paleontologists that study the plant and pollen fossil in the different strata of the earth and determine the type of plants that grow in certain climates and where they died and how long ago they died. Organic matter starts to decay after death and the remains of plant material can be carbon dated to determine when it was alive and when it died. The location and depth gives us clues as to when they were buried. The lower layers were deposited first and the upper layers were laid down on top. So that gives the Geologist a time line. Deep sedimentary rock is older than the sedimentary rocks at the surface. But I don't know why I'm wasting time trying to tell you this. It's probably going in one ear and out the other. Suffice it to say that the people that really can do something about this know what's going on with the Global Warming. Which is why Obama is letting the USEPA regulate CO2 emissions via the Clean Air Act. The US Supreme Court has already agreed that the USEPA can regulate CO2 emissions as a pollutant that can be controlled by the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990.

I'm not saying that it's all man made. I don't deny that man is contributing to the problem though. There is a reason why the Earth has started warming more so since the start of the Industrial Revolution and when man started burning coal. What you don't know is that I've studied the burning of coal since the late 1970's and did surveys on how much coal was burned in our area and calculated the emissions that resulted from burning that coal. And I didn't even add the largest coal fired power plants in my survey. The State of Indiana IDEM did that via their own emission survey. And the data was provided by the Power Plants themselves. So if anything the amount of coal burned was probably under reported. And these Emission Surveys are conducted by all the states and reported to USEPA every few years.

I fail to see how cows passing gas proves anything you have to say about Global Warming. It's true that thousands of cows and other animals contribute small amounts of green House gases. Again you resort to the 3 grade level fart jokes, which is funny, but not really helping the discussion in any serous way. If you can't elevate your debate points to above the fart jokes then no one will take you seriously. They may find you funny but they won't you intellectual. Facts are facts and cows do produce methane. Large Feed lots produce a lot of methane gas. So do feed lots with pigs and other farm animals. But they pale in comparison to the amount of CO2 Green House gas that's produced hourly by a big coal fired boiler at a power plant. Funny but really insignificant in the discussion.

Left wing flakes. Now how does that help contribute to a serious discussion of the facts? I know a few right wing flakes on Fixed News but that really has nothing to do with a good discussion on whether the earth is getting warmer or not. Warming since man started keeping records.

What does Al Gore have to do with Global Warming. He is just the messenger and is saying the very same thing that (97% of the Climate Scientists are telling us. Al gore is not lying he is just stating facts. The people who call Al Gore a liar are the real problem IMHO. Those on the right that mock the truth are the problem not Al or Obama.

The facts are the facts and making fun of them or the people to tell us about the facts won't change anything.

Me personally I could give crap about what we do to prevent Global Warming. I'm not really for trying to control the CO2 emissions as I think it may cost way too much and have little effect on reversing Global Warming. I'm not going to be around when the **** hit the fan. It's not going to have any affect on me that I can see other than more and stronger storms. But hell I've already lived though a tornado and if the good lord wants to take me I really can't do nothing to stop him.

But the people that live along the coast may want to think about what they are going to do the next time another Katrana or Sandy floods them out for weeks at a time. And according to the people that actually know what they are talking about the floods and storms are getting more frequent and stronger with the increase in the Earth's Temperatures. Increase temperature is nothing more than an increase in energy in the system.

But it's really silly to try to deny that the Earth is actually getting warmer over the last few hundred years. Making dino fart jokes will not change that fact.

[QUOTE=Moveon;526657]Evidently you didn't read the information in the link I provided to Wikipedia. But that's ok. I didn't expect some of you to see the facts when they are right there in your face.

You show how silly you are when you talk about "Dinosaur Flatulence". That's going down to 3 rd grade level of intelligence. Funny fart jokes are funny but they don't counter any real facts from the real climate scientists at NOAA or the Academy of Science. If you really would like to know how the scientist figure out the climate of the earth in the past just ask a Geologist how they do it. You can probably go to the Geology Dept of either Purdue University or Indiana University or any other University such as UK or Louisville that has a Geology Dept. You could take a Historical Geology Class and learn about this too. That's what I did. There are paleontologists that study the plant and pollen fossil in the different strata of the earth and determine the type of plants that grow in certain climates and where they died and how long ago they died. Organic matter starts to decay after death and the remains of plant material can be carbon dated to determine when it was alive and when it died. The location and depth gives us clues as to when they were buried. The lower layers were deposited first and the upper layers were laid down on top. So that gives the Geologist a time line. Deep sedimentary rock is older than the sedimentary rocks at the surface. But I don't know why I'm wasting time trying to tell you this. It's probably going in one ear and out the other. Suffice it to say that the people that really can do something about this know what's going on with the Global Warming. Which is why Obama is letting the USEPA regulate CO2 emissions via the Clean Air Act. The US Supreme Court has already agreed that the USEPA can regulate CO2 emissions as a pollutant that can be controlled by the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990.

I'm not saying that it's all man made. I don't deny that man is contributing to the problem though. There is a reason why the Earth has started warming more so since the start of the Industrial Revolution and when man started burning coal. What you don't know is that I've studied the burning of coal since the late 1970's and did surveys on how much coal was burned in our area and calculated the emissions that resulted from burning that coal. And I didn't even add the largest coal fired power plants in my survey. The State of Indiana IDEM did that via their own emission survey. And the data was provided by the Power Plants themselves. So if anything the amount of coal burned was probably under reported. And these Emission Surveys are conducted by all the states and reported to USEPA every few years.

I fail to see how cows passing gas proves anything you have to say about Global Warming. It's true that thousands of cows and other animals contribute small amounts of green House gases. Again you resort to the 3 grade level fart jokes, which is funny, but not really helping the discussion in any serous way. If you can't elevate your debate points to above the fart jokes then no one will take you seriously. They may find you funny but they won't you intellectual. Facts are facts and cows do produce methane. Large Feed lots produce a lot of methane gas. So do feed lots with pigs and other farm animals. But they pale in comparison to the amount of CO2 Green House gas that's produced hourly by a big coal fired boiler at a power plant. Funny but really insignificant in the discussion.

Left wing flakes. Now how does that help contribute to a serious discussion of the facts? I know a few right wing flakes on Fixed News but that really has nothing to do with a good discussion on whether the earth is getting warmer or not. Warming since man started keeping records.

What does Al Gore have to do with Global Warming. He is just the messenger and is saying the very same thing that (97% of the Climate Scientists are telling us. Al gore is not lying he is just stating facts. The people who call Al Gore a liar are the real problem IMHO. Those on the right that mock the truth are the problem not Al or Obama.

The facts are the facts and making fun of them or the people to tell us about the facts won't change anything.

Me personally I could give crap about what we do to prevent Global Warming. I'm not really for trying to control the CO2 emissions as I think it may cost way too much and have little effect on reversing Global Warming. I'm not going to be around when the **** hit the fan. It's not going to have any affect on me that I can see other than more and stronger storms. But hell I've already lived though a tornado and if the good lord wants to take me I really can't do nothing to stop him.

But the people that live along the coast may want to think about what they are going to do the next time another Katrana or Sandy floods them out for weeks at a time. And according to the people that actually know what they are talking about the floods and storms are getting more frequent and stronger with the increase in the Earth's Temperatures. Increase temperature is nothing more than an increase in energy in the system.

But it's really silly to try to deny that the Earth is actually getting warmer over the last few hundred years. Making dino fart jokes will not change that fact.[/QUOTE]

So, your talking points:

* You talk about how smart you are based on your Geology expertise, but say NOTHING about the subject.
* You talk a little about Coal and coal usage, and something or another you collected......
* You talk a little about Al Gore being only a messenger, yet he made BILLIONS and convinced other lefties to spend TRILLIONS on Green ******** energy.

* You blame Katrina and Sandy on Global Warming when there is ZERO effective science to back your point.

This Polar Vortex, that is also caused by global warming, right?

You see...........you spent 10 paragraphs postulating about ****, yet, you conveyed exactly ZERO to the conversation.

Oh, BTW............cow FARTS are a big issue.......bigger than you seem to want to acknowledge....

[url]http://www.ibtimes.com/cow-farts-have-larger-greenhouse-gas-impact-previously-thought-methane-pushes-climate-change-1487502[/url]

Global Warming exists........we are in a warming trend or cycle, or whatever the hell you want to call it, but we are ARROGANT to think we actually know anything about it, yet we spend TRILLIONS of dollars trying to stop it, and create artificial markets for green energy that costs 100 times what it is worth.

YEP. Arrogance........sheer arrogance.

Later,

Geo

Here is some more on the subject for your reading George.

[url]http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/07/is-climate-change-responsible-for-record-cold-in-u-s/?hpt=hp_t1[/url]

I hope you feel better and can get out and do some fishing. You could use some fresh air. :)

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming[/url]

For those that missed it the first time or chose not to read it.

[QUOTE=Moveon;526675][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming[/url]

For those that missed it the first time or chose not to read it.[/QUOTE]


One of the foot notes in the link above for those that missed it. Think Katrina And Sandy.

[url]https://www.sciencenews.org/article/extremely-bad-weather[/url]

Hint: this is more interesting reading that reading about cow farts!

[QUOTE=Moveon;526676]One of the foot notes in the link above for those that missed it. Think Katrina And Sandy.

[URL]https://www.sciencenews.org/article/extremely-bad-weather[/URL]

Hint: this is more interesting reading that reading about cow farts![/QUOTE]

I read the article and it still seems that the scientists are always hedging their bets. Phrases like--attribution, in some cases, it seems, could be a fluke, isn't a long enough track record and so on.

I become a skeptic from phrases like that because I can read this and see how it actually may bolster my side of how you have to assume and have faith that this data could mean or may link bad weather to GW.

You see we can only go back to a certain time in history to compare those records kept or data from other means to now. It's such a short time frame in our history. Saying things like last year was the driest summer since 1895 or we had the worse season of intense hurricanes 2000 doesn't mean it was all GW and the article says that. It also states that you have to use "attribution" factor which to me means they put the data together and attribute their data to other findings. I'm saying maybe their findings may not be as generous to their bottom line if this attributing factor was less or not as potent?

I seem to remember more than one story out there through the years that said some scientists did "cook" the books to make their findings more compelling. What attributing values did they use? Know what I mean? Why would people who survive off donations and gubment money not want to prove they are in fact getting results that leans toward proving some idea? Just saying....

These next few sentences jumped out at me....see what I mean how they admit it's challenging and tough but if you toss in their "attibuting " factors it helps explain things.

[QUOTE]"An approach that climate scientists call “attribution” may help explain this apparent rise in extremes. Initially, attribution studies looked for the drivers of climate change over decades, using computer simulations of climate and statistical analyses of past conditions. Such studies have helped show that human activities are contributing to rising temperatures, by establishing that observed changes cannot be explained without including the effect of greenhouse gases."[/QUOTE]

Another section of the article based on some studies....
[QUOTE]"Neither of those studies tried to link these trends to global warming or associated human activities. That’s where attribution science steps in, and it’s challenging"

Scouting for a climate-change signature within transient events lasting just months and affecting only a small part of the globe is equivalent to hunting for a faint fingerprint amid the heavy boot prints of weather’s natural variability."[/QUOTE]

I still say its not cut and dry to being a crisis mode of GW. I find it pretty convenient that any findings from a snapshot of historical data compared to a short amount of time in the present can be made to look the way you want it. The article is quick to say that one storm or cold snap may not be attributed to GW. Also, like the following copied quote shows there is still some doubt that I think gets glazed over by uber proponents of GW. I said it before it's so easy to hint or say maybe, but or could be when on either side of this topic.


[QUOTE]"One problem: Natural variability in Earth’s climate makes some years warmer than others, says Richard Seager of Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y. “The dominant features,” he notes, “are El Ni±os, during which the global mean temperature goes up, and [countervailing] La Ni±a events where the global mean temperature goes down.” But other factors — from volcanic eruptions and local cloudiness to human-caused changes like urban development and crop irrigation — can also affect winds, rainfall and sunlight.
This variability tends to smooth out on the global scale, as local effects blend together. “But as you move to smaller spatial and temporal scales,” Seager says, “the amount of random variability in climate gets bigger and bigger relative to any global-warming signal.”
He says that’s why attribution studies have largely focused on weather events that tend to be regionally broad and long-lived."[/QUOTE]

I still find it more than interesting as to why these scientists became stuck in ice. After reading an article like the one you posted one would think we are destined to all kinds of extreme heat but here we get a story of people in this field getting stuck in ice that is thicker and larger in mass then they thought was possible....it's ironic huh?

All valid points. Yes there is reason to be cautious. Expecially in how we try to solve the problem.

I too was wondering why the ice is so thick at the South Pole in the summer months. BTW I just read today that the two ships that were stuck in the freed themselves and are on their way back to Austria where it's having a record heat wave this summer.

We all know that the earth rotes on it's axis now days and that it's not flat. We know that the Earth orbits around the sun not the other way around. And we all should know that the weather system on this Earth is complex but that it's created by the sunlight hitting the earth up and warming it while at the same time the heat energy is radiated back out into space and that there is a equilibrium that's ever changing due to the earth spinning. One part of the earth is in sunlight and the other in darkness. The Air and I guess the molten rock below the Earth's Crust along with the Ocean waters help redistribute the heat energy from the Sun and molten rock. We don't really know what's heating the inner earth, perhaps it's radio active elements that are decaying or something.

But we should all know that it's a very complex system. Looking at one point on earth at one point in time is not really indicative to the overall average temperatures on earth over time.

Just because the ship got stuck in the ice does not mean that Global Warming is not real and that the earth is not getting warmer. Remember by warmer they mean on average the earth is warming up one or two degree. But that's a averge for the entire global. Both the hot side facing the sun and the cold side away from the sun. Both the Northern Hemisphere and the Southern Hemisphere. From one point in the time zone to all the others. Take them all and add them together and divide by the number or data points and get the Average Temperature.

While in Historically time our written records of the Temperatures on this Earth may seem insignificant to some it doesn't mean that we won't have a problem with Global warming in the future. But like I said I won't be here hopfully when that happens. But what about your kids and grandkids?

What I worry about is the extreme weather that has been predicted by these scientists. I can see where adding more energy to the entire global system could easily stir the pot and create more intense storms.

There was one thing I do remember studying in Geology. There were two thoughts on how the earth changed over the eons. The Catastrophic thought people and the other one that said things happen over long periods of time. I remember that I gave more credence to the latter. But then again the could be catastrophic events that happened all at one time. We just don't know for sure why or how the earth cooled down in the past and allowed the Glaciers to come all the way down to Indiana. All we know is that they did. We find evidence of the Glaciers on the exposed bedrock where the glacial till inside the ice scraped away the top soil and left groves in the igneous rocks at the surface. And the great lakes were created when the Glacier's retreated back up north as the Earth warmed up.

I personally would watch the ice sheets at the poles and on top of the mountains to see how they react to the Earth warming up or cooling down. If they melt and start to recede back up to the mountain tops then the Earth is warming up. If they advance back down the Mountain the Earth is cooling off. Most of the ice sheets are receding which is why I took notice of this issue a few years ago. Before that I generally just ignore all the hoopla.

Oh well I killed another boring day of cold weather. Wish it would warm up so that I could get back out and go fishing again. This freezing cold weather really is the pits. At least I got my truck fixed where it starts in cold weather now.

I still find it more than interesting as to why these scientists became stuck in ice. After reading an article like the one you posted one would think we are dned to all kinds of extreme heat but here we get a story of people in this field getting stuck in ice that is thicker and larger in mass then they thought was possible....it's ironic huh?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Moveon;526657]Evidently you didn't read the information in the link I provided to Wikipedia. But that's ok. I didn't expect some of you to see the facts when they are right there in your face.

You show how silly you are when you talk about "Dinosaur Flatulence". That's going down to 3 rd grade level of intelligence. Funny fart jokes are funny but they don't counter any real facts from the real climate scientists at NOAA or the Academy of Science. If you really would like to know how the scientist figure out the climate of the earth in the past just ask a Geologist how they do it. You can probably go to the Geology Dept of either Purdue University or Indiana University or any other University such as UK or Louisville that has a Geology Dept. You could take a Historical Geology Class and learn about this too. That's what I did. There are paleontologists that study the plant and pollen fossil in the different strata of the earth and determine the type of plants that grow in certain climates and where they died and how long ago they died. Organic matter starts to decay after death and the remains of plant material can be carbon dated to determine when it was alive and when it died. The location and depth gives us clues as to when they were buried. The lower layers were deposited first and the upper layers were laid down on top. So that gives the Geologist a time line. Deep sedimentary rock is older than the sedimentary rocks at the surface. But I don't know why I'm wasting time trying to tell you this. It's probably going in one ear and out the other. Suffice it to say that the people that really can do something about this know what's going on with the Global Warming. Which is why Obama is letting the USEPA regulate CO2 emissions via the Clean Air Act. The US Supreme Court has already agreed that the USEPA can regulate CO2 emissions as a pollutant that can be controlled by the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990.

I'm not saying that it's all man made. I don't deny that man is contributing to the problem though. There is a reason why the Earth has started warming more so since the start of the Industrial Revolution and when man started burning coal. What you don't know is that I've studied the burning of coal since the late 1970's and did surveys on how much coal was burned in our area and calculated the emissions that resulted from burning that coal. And I didn't even add the largest coal fired power plants in my survey. The State of Indiana IDEM did that via their own emission survey. And the data was provided by the Power Plants themselves. So if anything the amount of coal burned was probably under reported. And these Emission Surveys are conducted by all the states and reported to USEPA every few years.

I fail to see how cows passing gas proves anything you have to say about Global Warming. It's true that thousands of cows and other animals contribute small amounts of green House gases. Again you resort to the 3 grade level fart jokes, which is funny, but not really helping the discussion in any serous way. If you can't elevate your debate points to above the fart jokes then no one will take you seriously. They may find you funny but they won't you intellectual. Facts are facts and cows do produce methane. Large Feed lots produce a lot of methane gas. So do feed lots with pigs and other farm animals. But they pale in comparison to the amount of CO2 Green House gas that's produced hourly by a big coal fired boiler at a power plant. Funny but really insignificant in the discussion.

Left wing flakes. Now how does that help contribute to a serious discussion of the facts? I know a few right wing flakes on Fixed News but that really has nothing to do with a good discussion on whether the earth is getting warmer or not. Warming since man started keeping records.

What does Al Gore have to do with Global Warming. He is just the messenger and is saying the very same thing that (97% of the Climate Scientists are telling us. Al gore is not lying he is just stating facts. The people who call Al Gore a liar are the real problem IMHO. Those on the right that mock the truth are the problem not Al or Obama.

The facts are the facts and making fun of them or the people to tell us about the facts won't change anything.

Me personally I could give crap about what we do to prevent Global Warming. I'm not really for trying to control the CO2 emissions as I think it may cost way too much and have little effect on reversing Global Warming. I'm not going to be around when the **** hit the fan. It's not going to have any affect on me that I can see other than more and stronger storms. But hell I've already lived though a tornado and if the good lord wants to take me I really can't do nothing to stop him.

But the people that live along the coast may want to think about what they are going to do the next time another Katrana or Sandy floods them out for weeks at a time. And according to the people that actually know what they are talking about the floods and storms are getting more frequent and stronger with the increase in the Earth's Temperatures. Increase temperature is nothing more than an increase in energy in the system.

But it's really silly to try to deny that the Earth is actually getting warmer over the last few hundred years. Making dino fart jokes will not change that fact.[/QUOTE]
Here we go again you say you can not deny fact that they Re facts. If you base your predictions on facts and do not look at history and understand that weather is cyclical in nature then we would be in an ice age as my professor at the University of Illinois said we could not grow corn now in Illinois if we continue cooling at the rate we are going. That we're the facts then jack so if we can't deny the facts why are we growing corn in Illinois. Also Gore did lie so much in his book they banned it in Europe if I remember right. Also scientist have admitted to-misrepresenting facts to get grant money.

[QUOTE=Moveon;526657]Evidently you didn't read the information in the link I provided to Wikipedia. But that's ok. I didn't expect some of you to see the facts when they are right there in your face.

You show how silly you are when you talk about "Dinosaur Flatulence". That's going down to 3 rd grade level of intelligence. Funny fart jokes are funny but they don't counter any real facts from the real climate scientists at NOAA or the Academy of Science. If you really would like to know how the scientist figure out the climate of the earth in the past just ask a Geologist how they do it. You can probably go to the Geology Dept of either Purdue University or Indiana University or any other University such as UK or Louisville that has a Geology Dept. You could take a Historical Geology Class and learn about this too. That's what I did. There are paleontologists that study the plant and pollen fossil in the different strata of the earth and determine the type of plants that grow in certain climates and where they died and how long ago they died. Organic matter starts to decay after death and the remains of plant material can be carbon dated to determine when it was alive and when it died. The location and depth gives us clues as to when they were buried. The lower layers were deposited first and the upper layers were laid down on top. So that gives the Geologist a time line. Deep sedimentary rock is older than the sedimentary rocks at the surface. But I don't know why I'm wasting time trying to tell you this. It's probably going in one ear and out the other. Suffice it to say that the people that really can do something about this know what's going on with the Global Warming. Which is why Obama is letting the USEPA regulate CO2 emissions via the Clean Air Act. The US Supreme Court has already agreed that the USEPA can regulate CO2 emissions as a pollutant that can be controlled by the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990.

I'm not saying that it's all man made. I don't deny that man is contributing to the problem though. There is a reason why the Earth has started warming more so since the start of the Industrial Revolution and when man started burning coal. What you don't know is that I've studied the burning of coal since the late 1970's and did surveys on how much coal was burned in our area and calculated the emissions that resulted from burning that coal. And I didn't even add the largest coal fired power plants in my survey. The State of Indiana IDEM did that via their own emission survey. And the data was provided by the Power Plants themselves. So if anything the amount of coal burned was probably under reported. And these Emission Surveys are conducted by all the states and reported to USEPA every few years.

I fail to see how cows passing gas proves anything you have to say about Global Warming. It's true that thousands of cows and other animals contribute small amounts of green House gases. Again you resort to the 3 grade level fart jokes, which is funny, but not really helping the discussion in any serous way. If you can't elevate your debate points to above the fart jokes then no one will take you seriously. They may find you funny but they won't you intellectual. Facts are facts and cows do produce methane. Large Feed lots produce a lot of methane gas. So do feed lots with pigs and other farm animals. But they pale in comparison to the amount of CO2 Green House gas that's produced hourly by a big coal fired boiler at a power plant. Funny but really insignificant in the discussion.

Left wing flakes. Now how does that help contribute to a serious discussion of the facts? I know a few right wing flakes on Fixed News but that really has nothing to do with a good discussion on whether the earth is getting warmer or not. Warming since man started keeping records.

What does Al Gore have to do with Global Warming. He is just the messenger and is saying the very same thing that (97% of the Climate Scientists are telling us. Al gore is not lying he is just stating facts. The people who call Al Gore a liar are the real problem IMHO. Those on the right that mock the truth are the problem not Al or Obama.

The facts are the facts and making fun of them or the people to tell us about the facts won't change anything.

Me personally I could give crap about what we do to prevent Global Warming. I'm not really for trying to control the CO2 emissions as I think it may cost way too much and have little effect on reversing Global Warming. I'm not going to be around when the **** hit the fan. It's not going to have any affect on me that I can see other than more and stronger storms. But hell I've already lived though a tornado and if the good lord wants to take me I really can't do nothing to stop him.

But the people that live along the coast may want to think about what they are going to do the next time another Katrana or Sandy floods them out for weeks at a time. And according to the people that actually know what they are talking about the floods and storms are getting more frequent and stronger with the increase in the Earth's Temperatures. Increase temperature is nothing more than an increase in energy in the system.

But it's really silly to try to deny that the Earth is actually getting warmer over the last few hundred years. Making dino fart jokes will not change that fact.[/QUOTE]

Climate change scientists came up with bovine flatulence, not me. Are you calling them silly?

Most in this thread agree trends indicate global warming, we can read as well as you. I admit I didn't read your reference on wiki, too lazy.

Pound the drum and be indignant all you want, like many others, I don't buy man being the cause of GW. I've seen just too many 'legitimate' experts be dead wrong too many times on issues far less complex than this.

You can also ridicule and pretend higher ground till the cows come home, and you can't deny the multi billion dollar industry this issue has become.

BTW, Al Gore is not the messenger, he is a freakin hypocrite and an oaf.

Anyone who thinks that Al is a Oaf is wrong. He speaks the truth about many thing and gets a lot of heat for his views. I doubt that what you say about him matters to him very much. He's big enough to take the heat and still tell the truth.

Why would I deny that it's an industry to try and solve Global Warming Problems. There is nothing wrong with what they are doing to solve the problem of Global Warming. Turning to greener energy energy is a good thing and I"m all for getting off fossil fuels as soon as we can.

You brought up the point of Cow farts in your first post. So why did you focus on that instead of the CO2 emission coming from fossil fuels? I just pointed out this fact that you focused on cow farts instead of the CO2 emissions. Nothing wrong with my doing that. It tells me where you are coming from.

I not pounding any drums. I don't even own a drum set. And I'm not being indigent, I'm telling the truth.

The bottom line is that you didn't deny that global warming was real and that it's happening. That's all I'm really saying. The rest of my comments were simply defensive.

Al Gore is the messenger and not the devil. There is a big difference.




[QUOTE=Devils Horse;526712]Climate change scientists came up with bovine flatulence, not me. Are you calling them silly?

Most in this thread agree trends indicate global warming, we can read as well as you. I admit I didn't read your reference on wiki, too lazy.

Pound the drum and be indignant all you want, like many others, I don't buy man being the cause of GW. I've seen just too many 'legitimate' experts be dead wrong too many times on issues far less complex than this.

You can also ridicule and pretend higher ground till the cows come home, and you can't deny the multi billion dollar industry this issue has become.

BTW, Al Gore is not the messenger, he is a freakin hypocrite and an oaf.[/QUOTE]

Al Gorge is not an oaf because he has fooled a lot of people and made millions from his crap. He is a huge hypocrite he owned seven houses and jets all over the world on private jets and drives suv's. If he was a true believer he would change his life style. Al Gore has an enormous carbon foot print.

[QUOTE=Moveon;526713]Anyone who thinks that Al is a Oaf is wrong. He speaks the truth about many thing and gets a lot of heat for his views. I doubt that what you say about him matters to him very much. He's big enough to take the heat and still tell the truth.

Why would I deny that it's an industry to try and solve Global Warming Problems. There is nothing wrong with what they are doing to solve the problem of Global Warming. Turning to greener energy energy is a good thing and I"m all for getting off fossil fuels as soon as we can.

You brought up the point of Cow farts in your first post. So why did you focus on that instead of the CO2 emission coming from fossil fuels? I just pointed out this fact that you focused on cow farts instead of the CO2 emissions. Nothing wrong with my doing that. It tells me where you are coming from.

I not pounding any drums. I don't even own a drum set. And I'm not being indigent, I'm telling the truth.

The bottom line is that you didn't deny that global warming was real and that it's happening. That's all I'm really saying. The rest of my comments were simply defensive.

Al Gore is the messenger and not the devil. There is a big difference.[/QUOTE]


I focused on the last news story I heard about GW on the radio in my truck...cow farts. I found it amusing and indicative of who makes up the foundation of the GW brigade. For the last time, your people have brought it up as a serious issue...several times. Try as you might you can't hang cow farts message on me, I'm only the messenger.

You, on the other hand focus on carbon emissions because the likes of Al Gore says you should.

I agree we should convert to green energy, but not because the GW crowd says so, because we will eventually run out of non replenishable (not sure that's a word) energy.

There is a lot wrong with how they're going about solving GW. So much so, I could type all day. Big Al trots his giant ass carbon footprint about the world taking money and carrying the message. Global GW conferences are held and those absolutely brilliant Europeans come up with great ideas like carbon taxes and other ways for them to get money.

And after all that jet fuel is pissed away, money collected, and great ideas hatched, what has been accomplished? Not a **** thing, because the earth's climate is cyclic. Always was, always will be.

See. We agree on almost everything.

Al Gore is an opportunist not a messenger. There is a VERY BIG difference.