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There are a lot of folks who believe a flat tax would be the answer to our budgetary problems... It just seems to me if half the people, as Mr. Romney says, pay no taxes, then our system must be saying these folks are in a financial condition where they can't afford to pay taxes, if thats the case then I don't understand how charging them taxes on goods and services won't result either in a greater hardship on them or cause them to need more government assistance and at the same time we are reducing taxes on the upper class so that looks to me like a disaster in the making.[/QUOTE]
We all have budgets and I don't care if someone else experiences budget issues like I/we all do. Apparently Obama didn't care either or he wouldn't have done that to people like me with Obamacare.
IMO....The assumption that people who don't pay taxes are hard up is another false thought. Many are scamming the system and using them as a reason to not try a consumption tax or flat tax is unfair. It's saying the minority will dictate what the majority does and that is wrong in my opinion. Also it might clean up some of the abuse the system gets hammered with now.
I'm sure some are hurting but I know many who just don't care and spend way more than they should on eating out or buying way to much junk...them when they don't get their 4k back each year they gripe. Of course they want that large check to go buy a big screen.
Im really not as cold hearted as it sounds. I just don't like to keep doing things the same way when it suckks and when a new idea is out there the concern is more about the few instead of the many. There has to be a better way.
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[QUOTE=DJD;527715]We all have budgets and I don't care if someone else experiences budget issues like I/we all do. Apparently Obama didn't care either or he wouldn't have done that to people like me with Obamacare.
IMO....The assumption that people who don't pay taxes are hard up is another false thought. Many are scamming the system and using them as a reason to not try a consumption tax or flat tax is unfair. It's saying the minority will dictate what the majority does and that is wrong in my opinion. Also it might clean up some of the abuse the system gets hammered with now.
I'm sure some are hurting but I know many who just don't care and spend way more than they should on eating out or buying way to much junk...them when they don't get their 4k back each year they gripe. Of course they want that large check to go buy a big screen.
Im really not as cold hearted as it sounds. I just don't like to keep doing things the same way when it suckks and when a new idea is out there the concern is more about the few instead of the many. There has to be a better way.[/QUOTE]
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I do agree with most if not all in this post, not sure just how we separate the needy from the users though... We do need to do a better job of that.. The only place we differ is how much damage the welfare system is doing to our country, with 12% of the budget going in that direction and I'm sure most of that goes to the folks who actually need it (you and I likely disagree on that) if we did away with the entire thing we would still have a budget nightmare although it would be less of a nightmare but would likely cause us a whole new set of problems.
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. It just seems to me if half the people, as Mr. Romney says, pay no taxes, then our system must be saying these folks are in a financial condition where they can't afford to pay taxes,
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Never Mind.....
IGNORANCE on the left is bliss.........
Later,
Geo
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[QUOTE=GeoFisher;527725]Never Mind.....
IGNORANCE on the left is bliss.........
Later,
Geo[/QUOTE]
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lol... you have a good evening sir.
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Hmmm. not exactly sure what all that rant was about... You could be right about this president being the worst president in history, he has to surpass Bush11 first, but do you believe we could stand another Reagan... lets see..debt increased 218% under Mr Reagan in the eighties... now if we assume Mr Obama doubles the debt ( As Bush11 did), thats 20 trillion and we elect another Reagan and this new Mr Reagan performs like the first one, that would result in a debt of lets see... somewhere between 40 and 50 trillion dollars?.. If my calculator is broken maybe you can do the math and show us where this new Jesus will be our savior... I personally believe most of the right wingnuts here have a tough time seeing the real world because they have their head so far up their Mohammad's backside they haven't seen daylight since he started this ruination of our great country in the 80's.[/QUOTE]
I was in business during Carters presidency and we have a catalog of our products and inflation was so rampant we could not print catalogs fast enough we had to send out letters telling them to mark up there price by a certain %. We were sending these adders about every three or four weeks it was terrible. When Reagan was president it all changed for the better, no one thought we would see single digit interest rates but in about two years interest dropped to 7% and these were some of the best times for Americans. The reason his spending was so high he had to invest heavily in our military that was in a very weaken state. I do not have a problem with building up our military. Again I lived through this time period and i am reflecting how terrible it was under the Carter administration and how downtrodden everyone was and how Reagan turned it around and how he started the greatest recovery of all time. You can add to the debt when you add as much as he did to the GDP. Again you can look at the numbers and make them twist them, you can find economist that share your feelings. I am going strictly on my living through these times and how much better off everyone was under Reagan.
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[QUOTE=roadrunner;527749]I was in business during Carters presidency and we have a catalog of our products and inflation was so rampant we could not print catalogs fast enough we had to send out letters telling them to mark up there price by a certain %. We were sending these adders about every three or four weeks it was terrible. When Reagan was president it all changed for the better, no one thought we would see single digit interest rates but in about two years interest dropped to 7% and these were some of the best times for Americans. The reason his spending was so high he had to invest heavily in our military that was in a very weaken state. I do not have a problem with building up our military. Again I lived through this time period and i am reflecting how terrible it was under the Carter administration and how downtrodden everyone was and how Reagan turned it around and how he started the greatest recovery of all time. You can add to the debt when you add as much as he did to the GDP. Again you can look at the numbers and make them twist them, you can find economist that share your feelings. I am going strictly on my living through these times and how much better off everyone was under Reagan.[/QUOTE]
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Reagan was the first president that I voted for, was actually 35 years old and didn't care in the least about politics, Had been earning a living for some years and I do remember times of 14% mortgage rates, not just exactly sure when they were that high... Being on the front end of the last 30 years looked a whole different that it does on the back end of it, we had a good many years of what was prosperity to us and I also had money to buy new trucks,cars and a new boat all the while raising two kids... The bad side of all that was living good but not paying the bills and now looking back it is easy to see how maybe if we did things a little differently we might not have the monster staring us in the face that we have now... I do believe the president we have now isn't doing us any budgetary favors but to demonize him because he has not saved us from the last thirty years that we just spoke of is a bit insane... I would hope we could get our finances back to where we won't eventually be crushed by them but it is doubtful any president can accomplish that because he is being pulled from all sides the same as Mr. Reagan was and the end result seems always to be go the easy route the same as he did and I believe we will eventually be crushed by the debt we have spent years accumulating and continue to accumulate at an alarming rate.
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Reagan was the first president that I voted for, was actually 35 years old and didn't care in the least about politics, Had been earning a living for some years and I do remember times of 14% mortgage rates, not just exactly sure when they were that high... Being on the front end of the last 30 years looked a whole different that it does on the back end of it, we had a good many years of what was prosperity to us and I also had money to buy new trucks,cars and a new boat all the while raising two kids... The bad side of all that was living good but not paying the bills and now looking back it is easy to see how maybe if we did things a little differently we might not have the monster staring us in the face that we have now... I do believe the president we have now isn't doing us any budgetary favors but to demonize him because he has not saved us from the last thirty years that we just spoke of is a bit insane... I would hope we could get our finances back to where we won't eventually be crushed by them but it is doubtful any president can accomplish that because he is being pulled from all sides the same as Mr. Reagan was and the end result seems always to be go the easy route the same as he did and I believe we will eventually be crushed by the debt we have spent years accumulating and continue to accumulate at an alarming rate.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough and I agree with what your saying.... The problem is this....Obama and the liberals promised they would do the impossible of cutting the deficit and getting gas prices back down and ending the war and closing Gitmo and getting Americans back to work and on and on. People ate it up which is understandable but the talking heads said he could do it and the only thing that was stopping us from being in that "imaginary place" was the evil Republicans.
The promises were lies he knew it and we knew it and when we (anyone not liberal or black) cried foul we were tagged as racist/extremists/gun toten rednecks and our points/thoughts/explanations were bogus and tossed aside as racist statements.
All his speeches including this last SOTU address was imaginary bull. I'm wondering if folks are waking up to the fact that NO POTUS can do all that so if your gonna run on all that political crap well you dang well should do a few of them or walk away like he said he would after his first term. It's been nothing but talk from this guy. I know it's politics and you as a candidate have to sell yourself with glorified ideals to get in but this guy is still doing it like he is running for office.
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[QUOTE=DJD;527766]Fair enough and I agree with what your saying.... The problem is this....Obama and the liberals promised they would do the impossible of cutting the deficit and getting gas prices back down and ending the war and closing Gitmo and getting Americans back to work and on and on. People ate it up which is understandable but the talking heads said he could do it and the only thing that was stopping us from being in that "imaginary place" was the evil Republicans.
The promises were lies he knew it and we knew it and when we (anyone not liberal or black) cried foul we were tagged as racist/extremists/gun toten rednecks and our points/thoughts/explanations were bogus and tossed aside as racist statements.
All his speeches including this last SOTU address was imaginary bull. I'm wondering if folks are waking up to the fact that NO POTUS can do all that so if your gonna run on all that political crap well you dang well should do a few of them or walk away like he said he would after his first term. It's been nothing but talk from this guy. I know it's politics and you as a candidate have to sell yourself with glorified ideals to get in but this guy is still doing it like he is running for office.[/QUOTE]
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You won't get me to defend Mr. Obama.
