[QUOTE=GeoFisher;539997]How in THE HELL did you get that from what he said.........I honestly don't understand it sometimes.
Blinded by liberalism. BLINDED.
Later,
Geo[/QUOTE]
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It was fairly clear what he said in his post...
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[QUOTE=GeoFisher;539997]How in THE HELL did you get that from what he said.........I honestly don't understand it sometimes.
Blinded by liberalism. BLINDED.
Later,
Geo[/QUOTE]
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It was fairly clear what he said in his post...
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remember the cars in the 50's 60's and 70's before japanese competition and gov interference made american car manufactures get better or go broke?... .[/QUOTE]
I sure hope your UAW buddies on this site don't find you.......
Later,
Geo
[QUOTE=GeoFisher;540007]I sure hope your UAW buddies on this site don't find you.......
Later,
Geo[/QUOTE]
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facts are facts Mr Fisher unless you happen to be a right wing nut who would rather deal in rhetoric... Vehicles in the middle part of last century werent worth driving home and you know it but wasnt the fault of the folks who did the work, the company didn't care about the costumer because no matter where he went he got the same quality until there was an actual option and the guys on the line didnt magically change... Companies had to improve its game or shut its doors and not because they wanted to, because they were made to.
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facts are facts Mr Fisher unless you happen to be a right wing nut who would rather deal in rhetoric... Vehicles in the middle part of last century werent worth driving home and you know it but wasnt the fault of the folks who did the work, the company didn't care about the costumer because no matter where he went he got the same quality until there was an actual option and the guys on the line didnt magically change... Companies had to improve its game or shut its doors and not because they wanted to, because they were made to.[/QUOTE]
and what does Union run Corporations shystering the American Public have to do with Illegals cutting corners and ruining Legal American Citizens careers?
[QUOTE=DJD;539993]Dude its a genetic flaw.....:).[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid they are born missing common sense
[QUOTE=kyfanatic;540013]and what does Union run Corporations shystering the American Public have to do with Illegals cutting corners and ruining Legal American Citizens careers?[/QUOTE]
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If thats not a perfect example of american business philosophy I wouldn't know what is, they do what they are forced to do and nothing more.... You guys bad mouth unions almost on a daily basis, union members don't as a rule feed their families with food stamps, take away the unions and people work everyday and depend on food stamps to feed their kids, pay your employees a wage with which he/she can support their families and your bottom line won't be quite as big, can't have that now can we.... If you have people working for you who receive food stamps you are part of the problem so quit screaming fowl about tax dollars being wasted when it is your fault...
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If thats not a perfect example of american business philosophy I wouldn't know what is, they do what they are forced to do and nothing more.... You guys bad mouth unions almost on a daily basis, union members don't as a rule feed their families with food stamps, take away the unions and people work everyday and depend on food stamps to feed their kids, pay your employees a wage with which he/she can support their families and your bottom line won't be quite as big, can't have that now can we.... If you have people working for you who receive food stamps you are part of the problem so quit screaming fowl about tax dollars being wasted when it is your fault...[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately it isn't that cut and dry. It's not a matter of being a union member and being able to feed your family or not being a union member and being on food stamps.
I'm not a union member, attended technical college and do pretty good. My field deals with companies who have unions and for 99% of the time everything runs smooth. My problems with unions are at the management/corporate level. They are so large that they are basically another form of gubment.....meaning they carry to much power to me. They can impose their will on elections and have a big say in how certain industries run based on their opinions. Their tactics and goals don't always line up with my opinions. Being told to go on strike, trying to shut down an industry or business because they want something more bothers me. Seeing the childish actions of grown men by union guys bother me. We all have seen these folks go on strike and verbally abuse their work mates who cross the picket line or scabs that come in. We have also seen how violent they can get toward others who try and picket against them.
The unions have some bad press and they did it to themselves, heck corporations have bad press as well but again they are basically at fault or the gubment has been involved with them.
My dad wasn't union and did well. Most of my friends are non union and do well so I guess unions are not the answer. They are just another employment vehicle that has a ton of power....at least they had a ton at one time.
[QUOTE=DJD;540017]Unfortunately it isn't that cut and dry. It's not a matter of being a union member and being able to feed your family or not being a union member and being on food stamps.
I'm not a union member, attended technical college and do pretty good. My field deals with companies who have unions and for 99% of the time everything runs smooth. My problems with unions are at the management/corporate level. They are so large that they are basically another form of gubment.....meaning they carry to much power to me. They can impose their will on elections and have a big say in how certain industries run based on their opinions. Their tactics and goals don't always line up with my opinions. Being told to go on strike, trying to shut down an industry or business because they want something more bothers me. Seeing the childish actions of grown men by union guys bother me. We all have seen these folks go on strike and verbally abuse their work mates who cross the picket line or scabs that come in. We have also seen how violent they can get toward others who try and picket against them.
The unions have some bad press and they did it to themselves, heck corporations have bad press as well but again they are basically at fault or the gubment has been involved with them.
My dad wasn't union and did well. Most of my friends are non union and do well so I guess unions are not the answer. They are just another employment vehicle that has a ton of power....at least they had a ton at one time.[/QUOTE]
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You and I are usually on opposite sides of the union issue but I agree with you on most of this post... I have been on the picket line and have witnessed some of what you speak of, generally unions don't condone this sort of thing and its frowned on by most union members, its just like the bad kids issues we see now days, most kids are good kids but the only ones the news wants us to hear about are the trouble makers, union strikes are about the same way, a peaceful union picket line draws no cameras...
I've been on both sides of the Union issue as well,but fact is unions have come to a point where they cause more harm than good,my grandfather,Father,and Uncles all fought to get the UMWA in the mines of Southwest Virginia and Harlan County ,Ky where they worked for a good reason,they were forced to hand shovel up to 26 tons of coal a night in dangerous and cramped conditions,some were forced to live in Company Camp Housing that never had running water and terrible construction while getting paid Company Script that could only be spent at the Company owned store.
The Unions helped these people get out from under terrible mistreatment.
I have been a Union member in 3 separate Unions over the years, I worked for Westmoreland Coal Company at Bullit Mine in Big stone Gap,Va shoveling the belt line and spreading rock dust back in the 70's until they went on strike and nearly starved my young family to death. I nearly took a scab job at St Charles mine that was on strike too to make ends meet,but they shot and killed a friend I went to school with for crossing the pickett line and I said enough and got a job for Yuengling Brothers Meats in Covington,Ky working on the kill floor running gut buggies and chasing cows in and killing them,I was a member of a Meat Packers Union that my future wife's Father was the President of the Union.They went on strike and I faced poverty waiting on a contract to get settled once again,so I packed up and moved to Plano,Texas where I had friends from High School and where I was told was plenty of work framing new houses just north of Dallas.
I worked in a meat packing house on the kill floor on a smaller scale and non-union for nearly the same amount of $$$,instead of killing 250 cows a day we killed 25 with only me and a full blooded Cherokee Indian from Oklahoma,they treated me well and the old Indian and his wife wanted to adopt me because I was dark complexion and had Cherokee features from my Great Grandmother,little did he know my 4th Great Grandfather Vincent Hobbs wasthe man who killed Cherokee Chief Benge in SW Virginia. I managed to get a DUI after my 1st wife left me to go back home and my supposed friends took the money I had hid in a Flour Can and spent t instead of bailing me out,the old Indian finally found me and got me out and I left for Louisiana where I made the best money I ever made in my life working on offshore drilling rigs.It was all non-union and we where treated like kings even though the work was very hard and dangerous.
The 3rd Union job was only for 6 months at a Chrysler Boat Plant in Louisiana that shut the doors and laid everyone off without warning.
I came home to Kentucky and started working as a Carpentry Sub-Contractor and built my company into an S-Corporation at which time I was approached by the Local Carpenters Union that tried to force me into their Union under BS and then subtle Threats from their representative Guido. Had I joined that union my company would have been bankrupt in no time, besides the demands unions put on businesses,they use that money for Democratic Political Contributions and I don't vote for party lines,but to assist and basically use voting fraud by practically demanding union members vote for candidates like Barrack Huessein Obama goes against my principles,watching guys who make$35 an hour lean on walls all day at large commercial projects and then demand more sticks under my craw.
Sorry I gave my life story,but Unions are at the point where they are causing as much harm as good,we don't want to go back to the coal camp days,but we don't want to run small businesses out of business either as they make up a huge portion of the labor force in this country and we certainly don't need idiots like Obama,Charlie Rangel,Sheila Jackson,Harry Reid,Nancy Pelosi,Etc being elected from crooked union donations from what is basically organized crime