Move on

[QUOTE=kygorski;541282]WHY WHY does it work in almost all the CIVILIZED countrys in the world?It was bound to happen, you guys are poed because it wasn't romney who would have did it later.This has been talked about since nixon was president. the past is past, live with it. Sure I liked the good old days, but they are GONE. And yes I pay for part of my insurance, and the price has always gone up.[/QUOTE]

Well I wish I was that smart to predict the future or (past??) but I don't know what Romney would have done. I will say I don't like politicians pandering to some imaginary majority like Pelosi, Reid and Obama kept saying about their insurance reform....you remember they said an overwhelming majority needed this reform but I never met a person from that majority.

Doing something for the sake of doing something is stupid......I really think that's what the Libs did. Remember and be fair....they passed the **** bill without reading it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that is fact and that should be all the proof you need that the Libs did this to just do something and get their hands in our lives even more than they are already.

i just don't follow the thought process of (it) was bound to happen. I wish (it) was a well thought out plan that actually addressed problems that existed instead of creating more. Maybe if the transparent liberal Gubment was actually trying to help us we would have had some active discussion instead of the midnight deal.

Your right it's done.....we all will live with it but I will never forget the lies and flip flopping ways of obama and the Libs who controlled congress doing this to us.

Only liberals tell lies? I'm sorry that is so full of s--t. If you believe that, you need to take a close look at your thinking.. You guys only hear what you want to hear, and guess what?

[QUOTE=kygorski;541315]Only liberals tell lies? I'm sorry that is so full of s--t. If you believe that, you need to take a close look at your thinking.. You guys only hear what you want to hear, and guess what?[/QUOTE]

To control the congress the Democrats would have needed a majority in the house of representatives and a super majority in the US Senate and that was not the case. The GOP members in the house and the senate had to help vote for the Affordable Health Care Act. Yes Obama lobbied for the bill and so have the Dems for many years. They wanted to make sure that people could afford to have health care and health insurance and be healthy so that they could enjoy life without being sick. I see nothing wrong with that. The only part that I don't like is forcing the young people to buy insurance so that they are insured too. In the past they were not insurance and they got sick or injured and the rest of us had to pay for their treatment as the hospitals got stuck with the costs which they passed onto everyone else. Now that everyone has health insurance and there is completion for the insured the cost are not going up as fast as before. In some cases the cost have declined for many. That's a good thing. But Obama never controlled the Congress ever.

Nothing nobahma does is right. These guys think He invented taxes. Taxes in one way or another has been with MAN ever since there was any form of government. And the folks who could least afford them were always the bearers of them. When a tax was abolished, another was created to make up the revenue.This isn't mind boggling, its a cruel fact. Rulers or governments need reveue, always have always will. Being a liberal means I understand that. the consevative philosophy, of hooray for me, screw you, forgets one basic fact, me, and you are US. And all of us are in this life boat together, even ballast is needed.

[QUOTE=kygorski;541315]Only liberals tell lies? I'm sorry that is so full of s--t. If you believe that, you need to take a close look at your thinking.. You guys only hear what you want to hear, and guess what?[/QUOTE]

Good lord man get back on the meds! Anyone who can read can and comprehend what they read can follow the point I was making about obama. You know he lied and if you don't resarch it yourself. Point out where I said only Liberals Lie...please show me.

You have a very short attention span. I hear what I want?? Hahahaha your post proves you don't have a clue of what your responding to. Come on snap out of it! Just like always you resort to attacks as opposed to just agreeing or disagreeing. Typical Liberal rules.....BTW that is me accusing liberals of attacking others when they have little else to say.

I will make this easy for you....ALL POLITICIANS TELL LIES!!!!!! But in this case I was referring to your " purple lipped God" obama. Remember the transparent Gubment lies he told? There are more but let's stay focused on a few things at once.:rolleyes: Next thing you will be claiming I that said obama was Christian or some other ridiculous claim.

[QUOTE=Moveon;541317]To control the congress the Democrats would have needed a majority in the house of representatives and a super majority in the US Senate and that was not the case. The GOP members in the house and the senate had to help vote for the Affordable Health Care Act. Yes Obama lobbied for the bill and so have the Dems for many years. They wanted to make sure that people could afford to have health care and health insurance and be healthy so that they could enjoy life without being sick. I see nothing wrong with that. The only part that I don't like is forcing the young people to buy insurance so that they are insured too. In the past they were not insurance and they got sick or injured and the rest of us had to pay for their treatment as the hospitals got stuck with the costs which they passed onto everyone else. Now that everyone has health insurance and there is completion for the insured the cost are not going up as fast as before. In some cases the cost have declined for many. That's a good thing. But Obama never controlled the Congress ever.[/QUOTE]

Ok I'll play your game....if you don't like controlled how about majority?
[URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/04/AR2007010400802.html[/URL]

Call it what you want.....

[URL]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/110th_United_States_Congress[/URL]

I guess I wasn't paying attention.....Who was the Senate Majority Leader and who was the House Majority leader back then? Who did the independents "party" with?

Now a few things are wrong with your post...not everyone has health insurance. The deadline keeps moving and I think the new deadline is next Febuary unless your one of the millions who will get amnesty.

You don't like young people being forced to buy health insurance? Why? I thought you didn't like footing the bill for others?

So so far your claim of lower insurance has not been proven to me. Why has our insurance and other small business insurance plans gone up 95-100%?? I pay my daughters insurance through BCBS and it goes up even year. What insurance do you have that's so awesome that it goes down?? Please tell me so I can check.

i will qualify my above paragraph by saying I have not reviewed our new plan yet or my daughters plan since nothing has come back from the insurance companies so my judgments and statements are based on the last 18 years (her age) of rising health insurance costs.

i guess you know that Kentucky has opened up and we can get quotes form other insurance companies?? Before it was closed to specific ones as far as I knew.

[QUOTE=DJD;541328]Ok I'll play your game....if you don't like controlled how about majority?
[URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/04/AR2007010400802.html[/URL]

Call it what you want.....

[URL]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/110th_United_States_Congress[/URL]

I guess I wasn't paying attention.....Who was the Senate Majority Leader and who was the House Majority leader back then? Who did the independents "party" with?

Now a few things are wrong with your post...not everyone has health insurance. The deadline keeps moving and I think the new deadline is next Febuary unless your one of the millions who will get amnesty.

You don't like young people being forced to buy health insurance? Why? I thought you didn't like footing the bill for others?

So so far your claim of lower insurance has not been proven to me. Why has our insurance and other small business insurance plans gone up 95-100%?? I pay my daughters insurance through BCBS and it goes up even year. What insurance do you have that's so awesome that it goes down?? Please tell me so I can check.

i will qualify my above paragraph by saying I have not reviewed our new plan yet or my daughters plan since nothing has come back from the insurance companies so my judgments and statements are based on the last 18 years (her age) of rising health insurance costs.

i guess you know that Kentucky has opened up and we can get quotes form other insurance companies?? Before it was closed to specific ones as far as I knew.[/QUOTE]



The Majority does not always control the US Senate due to the filibuster rules in place. That's what I was talking about. I call it a fact while you called it a game. I had this argument with one of my GOP neighbors and he didn't ever get it. At least you listen and that's appreciated.

I'm not sure how old your daughter is but if she's young enough she can be added to your insurance now. And if you have a pre existing health problem the laws says that the insurance company can't deny you coverage.

Some of the increased cost for health insurance is because now the insurance companies have to meet min standards for insurance coverage. Some in the past paid less for their health insurance but they really didn't have good coverage and were not covered adequately. So that explains some of the increased cost. But overall with more competition the prices should be lowered. That's the law of supply and demand and competition for providing a service helps keep prices lower. That's what my economic class teachers said.

All politicians lie. How many times have I said that? But you only seem to hear the lies that 'the purple lipped god"[your quote] said.Like I said. YOU ONLY HEAR WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR. But I can understand your dilemma. You listen to all of them.You forgot the first rule of politics belive half of what you hear, not much of what you read, and since photo shop, nothing you see.

[QUOTE=Moveon;541317]To control the congress the Democrats would have needed a majority in the house of representatives and a super majority in the US Senate and that was not the case. The GOP members in the house and the senate had to help vote for the Affordable Health Care Act. Yes Obama lobbied for the bill and so have the Dems for many years. They wanted to make sure that people could afford to have health care and health insurance and be healthy so that they could enjoy life without being sick. I see nothing wrong with that. The only part that I don't like is forcing the young people to buy insurance so that they are insured too. In the past they were not insurance and they got sick or injured and the rest of us had to pay for their treatment as the hospitals got stuck with the costs which they passed onto everyone else. Now that everyone has health insurance and there is completion for the insured the cost are not going up as fast as before. In some cases the cost have declined for many. That's a good thing. But Obama never controlled the Congress ever.[/QUOTE]


Look back to how Obamacare was passed. They didn't have a single republican vote. Harry Reid used an obscure procedural rule to pass it. Your entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.