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These Bfl Guys Spent Alot Of Time Pre Fishing And Alot Of Money If I Was Fishing That Creek When They Pulled In, I Would Have Asked Them If They Were Fishing The Bfl Tourney And Gave Them The Right Of Way Before They Even Had To Ask. Why Would You Want To Ruin Some Ones Chances At Winning A Big Tourney.
[QUOTE=fishbum;296533]...Came to the ramp curious about what was going on asking about the BFL National Championship out of Louisville.
They then took off ahead of the gentlemen in the tournament and proceeded to fish some water in Harrods Creek...[/QUOTE]
I'd like to add that I wouldn't have been done this in the first place. Everybody has an equal right to any given spot, but hurrying out to a spot where you wouldn't otherwise be in the first place just to get in the way of a tournament is pretty low-class.
[QUOTE=RoadToad;296585]I'd like to add that I wouldn't have been done this in the first place. Everybody has an equal right to any given spot, but hurrying out to a spot where you wouldn't otherwise be in the first place just to get in the way of a tournament is pretty low-class.[/QUOTE]
Agree!! Very low class, luck was on the anglers side tho he is still in the top ten with a chance at 140,000
I personally would move if asked nicely by the Tournament Angler... Especially when they are working at their regular job ( Pro Fishing ).
Seems like the jerks who pulled into Harrods Creek, were what it seems like to be just jealous of the Tournament Anglers. The two locals were probably mad for not being able to fish for the big Bucks like the Pro's and wanted to make it tough on any of the Tournament Anglers who might come into the creek to fish... People have stooped to this sort of low life level before.
But I don't have a problem if someone asks me to fish ahead of me, (if) I'm not fishing a tournament as well. But just fishing for fun, like I said, I wouldn't mind if asked nicely and not asked with a sort of attitude like I owe them the right to go first.
Tight Lines fella's
[QUOTE=biggw;296565]Here,s my take on this--If you want to fish my spot,the first words out of your mouth better have ( SIR ) in it lol......;)[/QUOTE]
Pardon me, Mr. George Sir, could you please move so I can fish your spot? Thank you, kindly.
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I read post on this board a lot but don't post much. Seems like a lot of good guys here. I have had good encounters and bad like you guys are talking about. It would depend on how I was asked. But the bottom line is if they are good enough to be pros they should have other spots to fish until the guys leave. I can say I have had more bad encountes than good when it comes to fishing etiquette. But that's just me.
[quote=DYNATRAK;296591]Pardon me, Mr. George Sir, could you please move so I can fish your spot? Thank you, kindly.
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Y sure and gl to you :) :)
[QUOTE=FISH2MUCH;296580]These Bfl Guys Spent Alot Of Time Pre Fishing And Alot Of Money If I Was Fishing That Creek When They Pulled In, I Would Have Asked Them If They Were Fishing The Bfl Tourney And Gave Them The Right Of Way Before They Even Had To Ask. Why Would You Want To Ruin Some Ones Chances At Winning A Big Tourney.[/QUOTE]
Ditto to what was said above!! I am a BFL tournament angler myself and know how hard it is just to make it to this tournament, not to mention how tough this tournament is for these guys.
On a side note were these guys in a newer silver with black swooshes stratos 18 footer with a yamaha 150 vmax? If so I was sitting at Duffys ramp watching the action and at about 2 p.m. when the above described boat came and loaded up. When they were putting everything away they digged around in the livewell and pulled out two bass and went and threw them back. One was a nice one also, at least 2 1/2 pounds from what I could tell from a distance. I wondered why they brought the fish back to the ramp but now I realize why!!
[QUOTE=The Outdoorsman;296552]Just because a person is fishing a tournament, doesn't make them "better" than that same "good-'ol-boy" that refused to give up his spot. [/QUOTE]
OK, I should explain more fully... IN THIS CASE.. the tournament angler was fishing down a bank. 2 Good old boys decided to jump in front and fish the same bank. IT IS ONE THING for the good ole fishermen to be asked to leave and totally different for 2 boys in a bass boat to jump in front and fish a bank. The guys that jumped in front KNEW what they were doing. They had come to Cox's Park and seen the commotion and were heard by the Camera Man to say they would be seeing if they could beat the "PRO's" Except these are NOT PRO's. These guys are average anglers who qualified through hard work and a LOT of expense for this tournament. This tournament series has been a launching pad for several pro anglers.
I see nothing wrong with explaining the situation and asking politely. Especially when the boys were fishing for pleasure and not to change their lives and that of their families. I am fairly sure that a guy with a Stratos Boat fishing the river is more than likely a FELLOW tournament angler... at other times. He should appreciate the work this boy has done to get to this point and at least not cut in front of him to fish. I know if I am working down a bank and someone cuts in front of me by less than 50 yards I am not thrilled. Less than 25 they will hear my comment and at 10 yards, I accidentally will hit their boat with my bait. There are over 200 miles of banks and creeks to fish.. why not be generous?
Does he have to let the guy fish? No.! But once you catch the fish RELEASE them which these boys did not and there in lies my biggest problem although I do believe that a guy who is fishing for $100,000 who is polite should be able to ask someone not to fish in front of him on a bank.
The lack of Etiquette is removing the fish from the creek..
BOTTOM LINE.. tournament anglers do not have more rights than others and should NOT.. however if another man is at this point in his career, I am not sure I could live with knocking him out of $140,000 and having a chance to live the dream. I believe everyone has a right to the water, but when another man can change his life, for the better, I AM ALL FOR him and others should be happy to see him succeed and NOT impede that success if possible.
I liken it to a guy standing in line to buy a lottery ticket, and finding out the VERY NEXT ticket will win, only to have someone jump the line. (yeah lame but the closest I could come..)
Jim Dicken
[QUOTE=RoadToad;296585]I'd like to add that I wouldn't have been done this in the first place. Everybody has an equal right to any given spot, but hurrying out to a spot where you wouldn't otherwise be in the first place just to get in the way of a tournament is pretty low-class.[/QUOTE]
OK here is an analogy.. YES you have the right to catch a Home Run Ball at Reds Stadium, but it is considered bad manners to do so if the fielder has a chance to catch it.. Same with a foul ball. Remember the poor schmuck at Chicago a few years back??
That is the way tournament guys feel about OTHER BASS fishermen cutting in on them or failign to yield in a tournament when the other guy is pleasure fishing only.. Sort of like getting in the way of the guy on the field.. One is playing the game for real the other is playing for fun. WHEN YOU Play for real you expect the fun players to yield as YOU would.
Jim Dicken
Apples and Oranges
This analogy below is not at all like the discussion that started this thread.
First the discussion is about fishing PUBLIC LAKE that are accessible to Everyone with a Fishing License for the lake.
A baseball stadium is a PRIVATE ARENA where people pay to view the baseball game. The baseball players are part of the team which OWNS the stadium. To interfere with the professional baseball player trying to make a catch on a fly ball near the bleachers is much different than some yahoo gambling to see if he can make some money on PUBLIC FISHING WATERS.
This discussion started out with the NON TOURNAMENT FISHERMAN already fishing the spot first and the Tournament guy trying to cut in front. Sorry but the tournament guy is the one being rude.
You have no extra rights to the lake unless the tournament director OWNS the lake or property being fish.
If you want tournament fishermen to have extra benefits over the mass on the water then someone who owns the water will have to give them those extra rights. But public waters are owned by EVERYONE not just the tournament fishermen.
My opinion on tournament fishing would not be well received but I'll be **** if I'll let anyone bump me from a fishing hole that I got to first.
I fish for fun and it's not fun to be run over by some idiot in a big bass boat who cuts next to me going 80 mph just because he didn't leave his fishing hole in time to get to the weigh in on time. That's his problem not mine.
And I feel the same way about fishing guides that think they own a certain spot on any public lake. They too can wait their turn if I am there first.
I grew up fishing KY lake and I was taught to not get within shouting distance of any other boat. But that was back in the days where every Richard and Harry didn't own a boat and the lake was much less crowded. During the weekdays back then you would be lucky to spot one or two other boats on that section of KY lake.
[quote=fishbum;296605]OK here is an analogy.. YES you have the right to catch a Home Run Ball at Reds Stadium, but it is considered bad manners to do so if the fielder has a chance to catch it.. Same with a foul ball. Remember the poor schmuck at Chicago a few years back??
That is the way tournament guys feel about OTHER BASS fishermen cutting in on them or failign to yield in a tournament when the other guy is pleasure fishing only.. Sort of like getting in the way of the guy on the field.. One is playing the game for real the other is playing for fun.
WHEN YOU Play for real you expect the fun players to yield as YOU would.
Jim Dicken[/quote]:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Did you just change the entire story after you got so many NEGATIVE COMMENTS??
The original post said that the non tournament guys were there first and the tournament guys arrived later and then asked to cut in front.
Now you changed the story to say the tournament guys were there first and the non tournament good ole boys got there after and cut in front?
Which is it? Are you just making this up as you go along? Because I was just wondering if that's what's going on in this thread?
Am I reading this thread wrong?
Anyway I don't believe that anyone should cut in front of any other fisherman period. First come first serve no matter what. That is the rule I learned to fish by and I am going to stick with that rule.
I would not think of moving into a spot if someone else was there bass fishing. Now if they are crappie fishing and there is more than one spot that is occupied by a big school of crappie I might fish around the other guys boat but I would not get in their way unless I was invited to fish with them
But crappie fisherman have lots more fish to catch and don't have to be as competitive. Crappie fisherman can share the water easier maybe. But then come tournament time it may not be so UNCOMPETITIVE. But at least the tournament crappie fishermen don't take up as much room as the bass fishermen. We don't throw baits 60 ft out from the boat and go around the cove over 5 mph with the 24 volt trolling motors. We go slower and fish more thoroughly IMHO. Hey I use to bass fish all the time but there are not as many bass to catch and some guys frown on people who catch LM bass and eat them like I did for years. So be glad that I am catching crappie to eat not bass. I still like to catch a nice 2lb LM and fry them up and eat them for dinner with some butter and lemon juice on the fillets. I'm having fish for dinner tonight. The fillets are thawing out in the refrigerator right now. YUM!
[quote=fishbum;296546]This actually happened today on the river. The Angler was very polite, asked nicely explaining the situation and the Angler was basically rude.. ACCORDING to the Camera Boat Driver who witnessed it. What upset me was that the boys made a POINT to take the fish out of the creek when they did this. Putting the fish in the live well. Why do this when you are pleasure fishing..?????
NOW IF YOU Are the person in the Stratos who did this reply here please.. I would like to hear both sides.. HOWEVER, my feeling is that if someone is polite and asks nicely and I am fishing for pleasure not money, I would give the spot up, and sit back and watch.. hoping to learn something.. OR At least release the fish so other anglers had a CHANCE to catch them.!!!
DO NOT get me wrong. The water belongs to whomever is there first. Still what is better for the Sport or for the Community of anglers?
Being polite in an effort to show hospitality and gratitude for the tournament? OR Catching a fish one day.
Points to ponder:
More tournaments in Louisville means more anglers get to fish locally giving them an edge.. including the guy in the Stratos who apparently is a Tournament fisherman at times.
I have back seated ( Observed) In 5 ot 6 tournaments over the years including the WFL tourney in 2000 on Taylorsville. In that tournament people got out of the way so PRO's could fish. Why not help another Amature who is fishing for MORE money than the Pro's were fishing for.
At a KBF tourney on Ky. Lake guys would ask if the angler was fishing the tournament and would give way to him... because he was fishing for a spot on the BASS Masters Classic Team. I even saw a boy fishing a tournament for money give up a spot so a KBF guy could fish it.. without asking.. just moved... after asking if the boy was fishing the KBF.
Why is the Ohio River Different and why is it that the manners on the river are different from the tournaments I have worked in the past?
Jim Dicken[/quote]