Obama not at Arlington

[QUOTE=DJD;416935]I do but there is no way we can go tit for tat. I remember PL, Moosey, Pontooner, slippedcork and others who bashed Bush especially when McCain was running but it doesn't really matter. Some of these guys got into such a fervor over it they got themselves banished from the site.[/QUOTE]

Don't think I was on here bashing Bush 1 year 4 months into his presidency the way you guys have been Obama even before day one in office. It took a few years of failed ploicies (notice I said "Failed" and not I don't agree with them so they ****) and one of the biggest lies every sold to America (Iraq has WMD's, they are a threat to us......) that completely soured me on him. Be sure and let me know when Obama tells a lie that can top the Iraq one because we all know that's all that comes out of his mouth is lies accorrding to you guys so it shouldn't be hard.

[QUOTE=DJD;416935]My main point was that the main stream media unleashes the dogs on Conservatives/GOP members to belittle them and sway the vote to their favor. I think several of the networks are owned by Liberal thinking folks who have an agenda. Some of that garbage gets on here and gets repeated over and over. Mark pointed out several with K.O. and R.M. that can be used for ammo but thats the short list.[/QUOTE]

You guys should start posting links to these left leaning stories and bebunking them with facts instead of complaining that the MSM has a agenda if you want someone to take you serious because all I see is a story you don't agree with and it gets labled as left leaning MSM banter. Maybe hire RoadToad, APB or Col Forbin because they do a darn good job of setting the record straight with facts about the chain emails, Fox news stories.........

Oh yeah APB pointed out that past Presidents didn't attend ceremonies at Arlington but let's not let the facts get in the way of things and admitting that there is really nothing to the story.

[QUOTE=ukkid;417004]Bush was a drunk who would have been drummed out of the service if not for Daddy...
and as far as associations with terrorists???? Bush was at one time friends with BIN LADEN and his family and they visited the white house while the "worst president in history" was in office....[/QUOTE]
"[I]name calling, racism, lies, and hatred are totally ignorant."[/I]
Hmmm, now who was it who posted that? The same person who just called Bush a name and posted the LIE that Bin Laden and/or his family visited the White House! Here's a hint: if you want to bash Bush (either of them), Obama, Clinton, Nixon, or whatever President you choose, you'll still have plenty of material to work with even if you stick to the facts.

As to the original subject of the thread, it seems to me that it's a lot more important what a person does on Memorial Day than where he or she does it.

[QUOTE=ukkid;417005]You hit the nail exactly on the head there Andrew..there has been a blind hatred for him as soon as he got elected. The good thing is the majority of good common sense people like the idea of a man who at least is going to try to change some of the things that have dragged this country down for the last eight years....Obama will get re elected and we need to thank the GOP and the "Tea Partiers", excuse me the "New Klan" for that....[/QUOTE]

Ahh yes the point has been driven home! A far lefty response with racial accusations from a Union kid....my point exactly.

[QUOTE=DJD;417011]Ahh yes the point has been driven home! A far lefty response with racial accusations from a Union kid....my point exactly.[/QUOTE]

More he's black so we don't like him stuff, Good Lord is that all you people have.

Here's one for you flaming liberals. How bout you guys post what GOOD this new Potus has done and explain why, this aught to be fun, LMAO.

[QUOTE=mhall;417049]....Here's one for you flaming liberals. How bout you guys post what GOOD this new Potus has done and explain why, this aught to be fun, LMAO.[/QUOTE]

Well I'm not a flamer :p but how about: he continued the drone program started under Bush. In fact, such attacks were increased under Obama and lead to more al quada being killed within Obama's first year in office than in all the time the program was used under Bush. The latest resulted in al quada's third in command being snuffed out.

Andrew

[QUOTE=apb;417062]Well I'm not a flamer :p but how about: he continued the drone program started under Bush. In fact, such attacks were increased under Obama and lead to more al quada being killed within Obama's first year in office than in all the time the program was used under Bush. The latest resulted in al quada's third in command being snuffed out.

Andrew[/QUOTE]

TOOSHAY, I'll give you that one, that is one good one for sure.

[QUOTE=mhall;417049]More he's black so we don't like him stuff, Good Lord is that all you people have.

Here's one for you flaming liberals. How bout you guys post what GOOD this new Potus has done and explain why, this aught to be fun, LMAO.[/QUOTE]

This is even more fun but really sad if you think about it - What GOOD did Bush do in his 8 years that keeps you guys defending him because all I ever hear is that he seems likeable, you would like to have a beer with him, he did what he thought was right.......

I'm guessing the one thing that will be brought up will be the old "he kept us safe from the terroist" but pratically every President has kept us safe from being attacked on our on soil.(of course there are a few exceptions)

[QUOTE=pontooner;417454]This is even more fun but really sad if you think about it - What GOOD did Bush do in his 8 years that keeps you guys defending him because all I ever hear is that he seems likeable, you would like to have a beer with him, he did what he thought was right.......

I'm guessing the one thing that will be brought up will be the old "he kept us safe from the terroist" but pratically every President has kept us safe from being attacked on our on soil.(of course there are a few exceptions)[/QUOTE]

How about the tax cuts the current administration is about to let expire?

The Bush Doctrine the current administration still uses as a template?

Medal of Valor Bill. National Parks Legacy Project. World War II Memorial Bill.

Mr. Bush is responsible for free elections and a democracy in Iraq right now.

There's more. And yes, just for you man...there were NO terrorist attacks on America during his presidency.

My biggest reason for supporting W is he stuck to his convictions and ignored world opinion. He also never fought back against an absolute deluge of negative opinion in our country. Also Mr. Bush never dropped a single 'ass to kick' comment when criticized over Katrina.

Mr. Obama is obsessed with world opinion, and does absolutely nothing without filtering it through what the world is going to think of him first.

Hey, you're right. This is fun...

[QUOTE=apb;416872]Digging around a little on the net and came up with these pieces of info:

the focus of the modern observance is the laying of a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns by the president of the United States, which presidents have taken part in since Lyndon Johnson first did in 1968.

1983: Reagan attended summit meeting; Deputy Secretary of Defense W. Paul Thayer laid wreath at Arlington that year.

George H. W. Bush, did not attend the Arlington ceremony a single time. One year, he attended a Memorial Day ceremony in Rome, but he spent the others vacationing in Kennebunkport, Maine, and attending ceremonies there, while other officials attended the Arlington ceremonies.

On Memorial Day 2002, a day after attending the NATO summit in Rome, President George W. Bush, along with Secretary of State Colon Powell, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony Principi, members of the U.S. Congress, members of the U.S. Armed Services and American veterans celebrated Memorial Day at the Normandy American Cemetery, and Colleville-Sur-Mer, France. Mr. Bush was not at Arlington, but he did honor the thousands of Americans buried in France who helped liberate Europe during World War II.

Andrew[/QUOTE]

Andrew,

A couple of things can be pointed out.

President GHW Bush became the youngest aviator at the time in Uncle Sam's Canoe Club. Here's a snippet from wiki:

Bush piloted one of four Grumman TBM Avenger aircraft from VT-51 that attacked the Japanese installations on Chichijima. His crew for the mission, which occurred on September 2, 1944, included Radioman Second Class John Delaney and Lieutenant Junior Grade William White. During their attack, the Avengers encountered intense anti-aircraft fire; Bush's aircraft was hit by flak and his engine caught on fire. Despite his plane being on fire, Bush completed his attack and released bombs over his target, scoring several damaging hits. With his engine afire, Bush flew several miles from the island, where he and one other crew member on the TBM Avenger bailed out of the aircraft; the other man's parachute did not open. It has not been determined which man bailed out with Bush as both Delaney and White were killed as a result of the battle. Bush waited for four hours in an inflated raft, while several fighters circled protectively overhead until he was rescued by the lifeguard submarine USS Finback. For the next month he remained on the Finback, and participated in the rescue of other pilots.

Barack Obama caught a few J's on fire and wrote a book during his early years.

HW Bush KNEW people at Arlington, darned near wound up there himself. On the other hand I think maybe Mr. Obama did some community organizing in the area, but I'm not sure.

Any President who actually served his country in the military can at least make a case for missing the Arlington ceremony. President Obama doesn't have leg to stand on.

[QUOTE=Devils Horse;418042]There's more. And yes, just for you man...there were NO terrorist attacks on America during his presidency.[/QUOTE]
Oh, really? Tell me, who was President on 9/11/2001? Don't get me wrong, I don't blame him for 9/11. But it DID happen during his presidency.

I guess ignoring the facts when discussing politics probably IS fun.

So let me get this straight. Any President who hasn't served in the military must attend Memorial Day services [I]at Arlington.[/I] Attending them elsewhere is unacceptable. I'm sure you know that not every American military hero is buried at Arlington. Are you saying that those buried elsewhere are less deserving of a Presidential visit on Memorial Day than those that are, just because of where they're buried?

I still say it's a whole lot more important what you do on Memorial Day than were you do it. But I guess that's just the bleeding-heart liberal in me coming out.

[QUOTE=Devils Horse;418042]How about the tax cuts the current administration is about to let expire?

The Bush Doctrine the current administration still uses as a template?

Medal of Valor Bill. National Parks Legacy Project. World War II Memorial Bill.

Mr. Bush is responsible for free elections and a democracy in Iraq right now.

There's more. And yes, just for you man...there were NO terrorist attacks on America during his presidency.

My biggest reason for supporting W is he stuck to his convictions and ignored world opinion. He also never fought back against an absolute deluge of negative opinion in our country. Also Mr. Bush never dropped a single 'ass to kick' comment when criticized over Katrina.

Mr. Obama is obsessed with world opinion, and does absolutely nothing without filtering it through what the world is going to think of him first.

Hey, you're right. This is fun...[/QUOTE]

Well looks like you proved my point with "NO terrorist attacks on America during his presidency" and "My biggest reason for supporting W is he stuck to his convictions"

If the first few things you listed is the meat and potatoes of his 8 YEARS in office then then it was even a sadder time than I thought and if you really had fun typing that all I can say is <speechless>


Just a quick note, Obama's grandfather (the one who helped rasie him) fought in WWII along with his brother (Omama's great uncle). Thought I'd throw that out there since were going to include service time for family members to determine basically how American you are.

Oh yeah his grandmother worked on a Boeing B-29 assembly line druing WWII.

From Wikipedia

"After the outbreak of World War II, Dunham enlisted as a private in the U.S. Army on January 18, 1942, at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. He served in Europe with the 1830th Ordnance Supply and Maintenance Company, Aviation. During D-Day, this unit helped to support the 9th Air Force. They were deployed in France six weeks after D-Day. Stanley’s older brother Ralph Emerson Dunham, great-uncle to Barack, landed at Normandy's Omaha Easy Red beach on D-Day plus four. Before the Invasion of Normandy, the brothers once met accidentally while Stanley went in search of rations at the Hotel Russell in London, where Ralph happened to be staying. Madelyn gave birth to a daughter they named Stanley Ann, who was later known as Ann, at St. Francis Hospital in Wichita on November 29, 1942. During the war, Madelyn Dunham worked on a Boeing B-29 assembly line in Wichita."

[QUOTE=RoadToad;418052]Oh, really? Tell me, who was President on 9/11/2001? Don't get me wrong, I don't blame him for 9/11. But it DID happen during his presidency.

I guess ignoring the facts when discussing politics probably IS fun.

So let me get this straight. Any President who hasn't served in the military must attend Memorial Day services [I]at Arlington.[/I] Attending them elsewhere is unacceptable. I'm sure you know that not every American military hero is buried at Arlington. Are you saying that those buried elsewhere are less deserving of a Presidential visit on Memorial Day than those that are, just because of where they're buried?

I still say it's a whole lot more important what you do on Memorial Day than were you do it. But I guess that's just the bleeding-heart liberal in me coming out.[/QUOTE]

Yep, you got me. 9/11 did happen during Mr. Bush's presidency. He responded by declaring a global war on terrorism that Mr. Obama is still carrying on.

As most of us know politics and facts are mutually exclusive. I choose to mostly ignore what you call facts, and you completely ignore reality. Nothing personal, that's just the way it is.

Laying the wreath on the Unknown Soldier's tomb at Arlington is the national symbol of military respect. Abe Lincoln Cemetary in Illinois is no less important and you know that. The point was this particular President, all past things considered should've been at Arlington instead of Joe Biden. I'll concede it is nit picky to call him on that, but hey it's what us petty right wingers do.

I hear you on the bleeding...supporting the actions of this president would make my heart bleed too.