Bassmaster Classic Results

[QUOTE=elnutsmalljaws;442777]Nothing to do with UK or IU!!!!! "maybe the difference was that the others fishing around him were pro's and not locals" sure does sound like Aaron treats pro's different than local's to me. Just saying he has a HISTORY of treating both pro's and local's the same as the camera has proven on more than one occasion. You are correct in that we will agree to disagree.[/QUOTE]

I was joking about the IU/UK thing.

"maybe the difference was that the others fishing around him were pro's and not locals???" I was guessing why he acted differently.....you left out my ??? in your quote.....heck I don't know?

[QUOTE=lroberts;442817]I was joking about the IU/UK thing.

"maybe the difference was that the others fishing around him were pro's and not locals???" I was guessing why he acted differently.....you left out my ??? in your quote.....heck I don't know?[/QUOTE]

Maybe the difference was he was so far behind he didn't have a chance of winning anyway.


As for Byron Velvick every time he is in the top 10 other than Clearlake is when he supposedly finds the same spot as others in practice.

[QUOTE=lroberts;442814]First....The Classic only has three days of fishing. Secondly, BASS not ESPN dictated that the coverage be one week late. Broadcasting fishing is much more difficult than other sports because there are 50 competitors in 50 different places...we'll get much better coverage when they have time to put everything together so that we can see how things unfolded. Does it **** we have to wait....yes....does everyone already know who won.....yes....but the tv coverage will be better.[/QUOTE]


You are RIGHT, the Classic is only 3 days, call it temporary insanity for thinking it was like the rest of the tourneys. But you can't tell me that we have 50 anglers starting and fishing the first 2 days and then 25 on the last day that we can't have 10-12 cameras following the top anglers around with some coverage. I am not necessarily saying the entire thing needs to be shown live but the final weigh-in of the top fellas after Day 2 would have been nice. We can have cameras all over a golf course, nascar race, hanging from the speakers at Rupp, baseball and football stadiums, and other regular season events but we can't get 10 to cover the "Classic". A couple of years ago ESPN had the Classic on the Day it was fished. I remember watching Day 1 and Day 2 a couple of hours tape delayed but the final Day was several hours long as they brought in the top 6 or so and showed the weigh in live plus other fishing that took place throughout the day. That coverage was bashed on here by MANY and it was wished then that somebody who actually cared about fishing would take over the series and give it the just due. I did not think they could make it worse but they did. Show the coverage a couple of hours after the weigh in at least not 168 hours after.

Before somebody says, "Well you have 50 to start where do you put the 10 cameras?". 50 to start but realistically how many of them have a shot at winning, 15 or 20, start with having the camera on them and adjust from there. Surely guys like KVD, Skeet, Ike, Klein, Duckett, Evers, Swindle etc would be picks to start and if any of them are not on fish then move the camera boat to another angler during the day. Day 2, pretty easy, look at the leaderboard after Day 1 and adjust, Day 3 with 10 cameras out of 25 fisherman you have 40% of the field covered and surely you have the eventual champion covered. I am not nor ever will be in tv production, but we can put cameras on every single nut and bolt of a nascar, have in car cameras, rear bumper camers, front bumper camers, cameras in the grass showing the asphalt view, cameras in pit boxes, crew chiefs, cameras on the commentators, 2 different "Hot Cameras" debut at Daytona showed the thermal temp of the inside of the race car and temp of tires on the cars, plus who knows how many other camers. No way am I saying the Bassmaster Classic is even in the same league as the Daytona 500 but if we can have a 100+ cameras (who knows the real number) covering the "Bassmaster Classic of Nascar" and show it LIVE, then we could get 10 to cover the Bassmaster Classic and show same day coverage even it tape delayed a couple of hours. Just me, but knowing the outcome just does not make it a MUST SEE TV for me. Sort of like DVR'ing a football or basketball game that you can't see and you hear the final score before seeing the game, just not the same.

[QUOTE=elnutsmalljaws;442872]You are RIGHT, the Classic is only 3 days, call it temporary insanity for thinking it was like the rest of the tourneys. But you can't tell me that we have 50 anglers starting and fishing the first 2 days and then 25 on the last day that we can't have 10-12 cameras following the top anglers around with some coverage. I am not necessarily saying the entire thing needs to be shown live but the final weigh-in of the top fellas after Day 2 would have been nice. We can have cameras all over a golf course, nascar race, hanging from the speakers at Rupp, baseball and football stadiums, and other regular season events but we can't get 10 to cover the "Classic". A couple of years ago ESPN had the Classic on the Day it was fished. I remember watching Day 1 and Day 2 a couple of hours tape delayed but the final Day was several hours long as they brought in the top 6 or so and showed the weigh in live plus other fishing that took place throughout the day. That coverage was bashed on here by MANY and it was wished then that somebody who actually cared about fishing would take over the series and give it the just due. I did not think they could make it worse but they did. Show the coverage a couple of hours after the weigh in at least not 168 hours after.

Before somebody says, "Well you have 50 to start where do you put the 10 cameras?". 50 to start but realistically how many of them have a shot at winning, 15 or 20, start with having the camera on them and adjust from there. Surely guys like KVD, Skeet, Ike, Klein, Duckett, Evers, Swindle etc would be picks to start and if any of them are not on fish then move the camera boat to another angler during the day. Day 2, pretty easy, look at the leaderboard after Day 1 and adjust, Day 3 with 10 cameras out of 25 fisherman you have 40% of the field covered and surely you have the eventual champion covered. I am not nor ever will be in tv production, but we can put cameras on every single nut and bolt of a nascar, have in car cameras, rear bumper camers, front bumper camers, cameras in the grass showing the asphalt view, cameras in pit boxes, crew chiefs, cameras on the commentators, 2 different "Hot Cameras" debut at Daytona showed the thermal temp of the inside of the race car and temp of tires on the cars, plus who knows how many other camers. No way am I saying the Bassmaster Classic is even in the same league as the Daytona 500 but if we can have a 100+ cameras (who knows the real number) covering the "Bassmaster Classic of Nascar" and show it LIVE, then we could get 10 to cover the Bassmaster Classic and show same day coverage even it tape delayed a couple of hours. Just me, but knowing the outcome just does not make it a MUST SEE TV for me. Sort of like DVR'ing a football or basketball game that you can't see and you hear the final score before seeing the game, just not the same.[/QUOTE]



I agree. The fact is if they can show it a week later then the cameras are already out there recording whats going on. With the technology today the videos are edited right there on the spot and ready to be aired. No excuse at all. They should let Versus take over this and we would all be better off having someone involved that actually cares about fishing. ESPN didn't show the classic because they probably had a girls basketball game that no one was watching.

Not as easy as you make it seem when the Classic is at a place like the Delta. You got guys running two hours to go fish for an hour. You going to put 50 camera guys out there along with 50 Marshals and 50 writers, you want them to travel and fish with 3 or 4 people in every boat? That doesn't make since. I would love to see it live but there was a great blog, pictures daily and live weigh in on computer. I can wait to see the edited tapes a week later, hell I already know who won anyway!

There is no way to show the Classic live and make it effective coverage. Do not compare it to other sports. Other sports have a playing field that is small by comparison. have any of you ever been on the Louisiana Delta? There is no feasible way to show it live and have good coverage, the Delta is enormous. Besides, the tape delayed coverage will be better than anything ESPN did for the smilpe fact that the new owners will show you who is catching fish, not who plays for the camera, which is all ESPN cared about. The show will be produced by the owners company as it was in the past, but they can now do what they want with it because ESPN has no say so.

As for Versus, are you kidding me? First, their FLW coverage is horrible and takes months to air a tournament, secondly Versus has very few subscribers when compared with ESPN.

Remember this. At a NASCAR event there are cameras EVERYWHERE. They also have trailers for spare batteries, and a helicopter that literally hovers over the race ALL day to simply relay signals from each camera to a booth. That booth is a VERY expensive trailer hauled to the race that has the communications gear required to send the live signal via satellite to a network where it is redistributed to the viewer. I am just guessing here, but i bet sponsors pay more for one race than the BASS sponsors fork out over a whole season. I think live coverage would be way to cost prohibitive. They would have to find ways of paying for teh equipment, qualified workers that have experience in live production. Its gonna take a bigger sponsor than Ranger Boats to pull it off. Then you have to remember that in a whole day fishing a tourney, there may only be a few hours of good film. Could you imagin watching the Pittsburg Classic Live? Hours of watching guys workin finesse lures with VERY few actual catches?

Then what happens when you have 4-5 anglers who happen to have a good fish on at one time? Which one do you show?

Comparing an FLW tournament to the Superbowl of Bass fishing is crazy. The classic should be shown the day it is fished. They do it every weekend at the PGA tournaments. The film is recorded and edited and then it is broadcast, It does not have to be real time sitting and watching someone for an hour before they hook up. The cameras are already out there recording the fishing it would not be an issue, they just chose not to do it. You guys are just making excuses. As for Versus it is has the best fishing shows on television and no other network compares, certainly not ESPN.

[QUOTE=nlex104;442902]Comparing an FLW tournament to the Superbowl of Bass fishing is crazy. The classic should be shown the day it is fished. They do it every weekend at the PGA tournaments. The film is recorded and edited and then it is broadcast, It does not have to be real time sitting and watching someone for an hour before they hook up. The cameras are already out there recording the fishing it would not be an issue, they just chose not to do it. You guys are just making excuses. As for Versus it is has the best fishing shows on television and no other network compares, certainly not ESPN.[/QUOTE]


First I wasn't comparing the Classic to an FLW tournament and I think the Super Bowl of Bass Fishing title is worn out since not all of the best anglers fish B.A.S.S. any longer.

Secondly you have no clue what the production crews have to fight with to get a decent show together. Also, ESPN has nothing to do with it anymore, it is strictly on the new owners of B.A.S.S This is not making excuses, these are [B]FACTS[/B], go backstage at a Classic once, or get out on the water with one of the anglers once and see what happens in the Delta. If you can't or won't try and do either of these things than at least read the book "Bass Madness" by Ken Schultz and you will see why telvising fishing live is not feasible.

[QUOTE=Tim_T;442903]First I wasn't comparing the Classic to an FLW tournament and I think the Super Bowl of Bass Fishing title is worn out since not all of the best anglers fish B.A.S.S. any longer.

Secondly you have no clue what the production crews have to fight with to get a decent show together. Also, ESPN has nothing to do with it anymore, it is strictly on the new owners of B.A.S.S This is not making excuses, these are [B]FACTS[/B], go backstage at a Classic once, or get out on the water with one of the anglers once and see what happens in the Delta. If you can't or won't try and do either of these things than at least read the book "Bass Madness" by Ken Schultz and you will see why telvising fishing live is not feasible.[/QUOTE]


My apologies I meant the World Series of Bass fishing. I have to disagree I think the best Bass anglers are in the Elite series. I have not worked on a production crew so maybe your right. I think next year they should just let Iaconelli give all the guys the Hat-cams he uses in his going Ike videos, that would be better than watching it a week later. Why don't they just go ahead and show the entire tournament in one day instead of stretching it out all weekend. I mean whats the point? We already know KVD caught 900 lbs of fish the last day...

I don't know why they did not show it on tape delay last weekend. Not sure if that was an ESPN decision or a B.A.S.S. move.

As for the best bass anglers and where they fish, I don't think you could make an argument for either major circuit. There are some legendary anglers fishing FLW as well who accomplished a lot in B.A.S.S. I wouldn't be suprised to see some of the top FLW anglers move over to B.A.S.S. now that ESPN is not the owner. That is part of why Jay Yelas and Luke Clausen started only fishing FLW.