roadrunner you are right in that we have a spending problem--http://zfacts.com/p/318.html---watch the youtube video at the bottom of the page and it will lay out the debt problem and were it came from and what we need to do to get out of it
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roadrunner you are right in that we have a spending problem--http://zfacts.com/p/318.html---watch the youtube video at the bottom of the page and it will lay out the debt problem and were it came from and what we need to do to get out of it
well said waterdog!
[QUOTE=waterdog101;463079]I think it's just the way nature is, for the strong and fit to look down on the weak. animals do it, the strong kill and feed on the sick and weak. and people aren't any different. the ones that are healthy and strong and have a good job. think it will always be like that. and it's possible they will never know what it's like to be without a job. there will always be people that are poor and need help, and out of the many that are poor and need help. there will be a few that are lazy and will feed off the programs that help those in need. no one knows what tommorrow will bring our way, so many things can change overnight. the programs that some say are wasteful handouts, could be the the very programs that feed their children next month or year. it's good to have social programs to help those in need. if you are living so high on the hog, that you don't have compassion for the underprivileged, you need to sit down and have a good talk with yourself. I sure would be a happy camper, if I could make a million dollars a year. and pay 1/2 of it in taxes. so I say let those that make the big money, pay more taxes.[/QUOTE]
X2, maybe X3!, OH Hell, X10
[QUOTE=FlyLie;463074][QUOTE=roadrunner;463069]Buffett gets his money from investments and does not creat one job.
[B][I][U]So investments don't create jobs???????:confused: Then what does? [/U][/I][/B]
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[B][I][U]PS: give it some thought, what do investers invest in?[/U][/I][/B][/QUOTE]
What I am calling Buffett out he said that if you raise his tax it will not hurt job creation again he invest in others hard work and they are the ones making 250,000 per year and Obama is calling them millionaires and billionaires. They put that money back into the business and they create jobs if you tax them more they do not have the money to expand and they are not listed on the stock exchange so the Buffett’s are not investing in them they are doing it on there own and they are paying 38% taxes and Obama wants to raise their tax base and these are the job drivers not Buffett.
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What I am calling Buffett out he said that if you raise his tax it will not hurt job creation again he invest in others hard work and they are the ones making 250,000 per year and Obama is calling them millionaires and billionaires. They put that money back into the business and they create jobs if you tax them more they do not have the money to expand and they are not listed on the stock exchange so the Buffett’s are not investing in them they are doing it on there own and they are paying 38% taxes and Obama wants to raise their tax base and these are the job drivers not Buffett.[/QUOTE]
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The Washington Post babbled again today about Obama inheriting a huge deficit from Bush. Amazingly enough, a lot of people swallow this nonsense. So once more, a short civics lesson.
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party.
Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009 as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011.
In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.
For FY 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets.
And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete FY 2009. Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period: (below)
If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.
If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.
In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th
[QUOTE=RoadToad;463076]So now you're throwing up a strawman. Buffett can't mean what he said, because of what Obama said!
I'll say it again. There's just no reasoning with you on this subject.[/QUOTE]
So does Obama's tax plans call for raising taxes on everyone above the 250k mark or not.
If NOT then I'm an unreasonable man.
[QUOTE=waterdog101;463079]I think it's just the way nature is, for the strong and fit to look down on the weak. animals do it, the strong kill and feed on the sick and weak. and people aren't any different. the ones that are healthy and strong and have a good job. think it will always be like that. and it's possible they will never know what it's like to be without a job. there will always be people that are poor and need help, and out of the many that are poor and need help. there will be a few that are lazy and will feed off the programs that help those in need. no one knows what tommorrow will bring our way, so many things can change overnight. the programs that some say are wasteful handouts, could be the the very programs that feed their children next month or year. it's good to have social programs to help those in need. if you are living so high on the hog, that you don't have compassion for the underprivileged, you need to sit down and have a good talk with yourself. I sure would be a happy camper, if I could make a million dollars a year. and pay 1/2 of it in taxes. so I say let those that make the big money, pay more taxes.[/QUOTE]
BULL CRAP.
You really need to get a handle on all this mamby pamby whiny crap the Left is spewing at you.
WHEN you don't have a job...you FIND A JOB....when you cannot feed your family, you figure out HOW TO FEED YOUR FAMILY.
I find it sickening that you buy into that bull, and would much rather lay down and ACCEPT the poor conditions you've been handed instead of working your way out of it.
Yea, I could be out of a job tomorrow..but you know what.....I've PLANNED for that. I would be employed in less than a week. GUARANTEED. I have an education, I have skills, I'm WILLING to move wherever I can find work......I will work for 1/2 of what I make, I will work for 1/4 what I make, I will work for 1/8 what I make.........I WILL WORK.
I live a lean life.......what I have is MINE, not the banks. I live within my means, and don't have 10k in credit cards, 50k in boat payments, 30k in car payments 120k in house payments.......but I will start to incur more debt because the economy wiped out pretty much all the savings I've squirreled away for my college educations.....THAT will be my only debts, outside of a very small mortgage...
If MORE of us would live within our means and stop whining about how much the gubment is expected to do..........MAN.....
I'm gonna stop now, because I really feel like I'm going to PUKE.
Later,
Geo
[QUOTE=GeoFisher;463101]BULL CRAP.
You really need to get a handle on all this mamby pamby whiny crap the Left is spewing at you.
WHEN you don't have a job...you FIND A JOB....when you cannot feed your family, you figure out HOW TO FEED YOUR FAMILY.
I find it sickening that you buy into that bull, and would much rather lay down and ACCEPT the poor conditions you've been handed instead of working your way out of it.
Yea, I could be out of a job tomorrow..but you know what.....I've PLANNED for that. I would be employed in less than a week. GUARANTEED. I have an education, I have skills, I'm WILLING to move wherever I can find work......I will work for 1/2 of what I make, I will work for 1/4 what I make, I will work for 1/8 what I make.........I WILL WORK.
I live a lean life.......what I have is MINE, not the banks. I live within my means, and don't have 10k in credit cards, 50k in boat payments, 30k in car payments 120k in house payments.......but I will start to incur more debt because the economy wiped out pretty much all the savings I've squirreled away for my college educations.....THAT will be my only debts, outside of a very small mortgage...
If MORE of us would live within our means and stop whining about how much the gubment is expected to do..........MAN.....
I'm gonna stop now, because I really feel like I'm going to PUKE.
Later,Geo[/QUOTE]
Thinking I just did...Man Oh Man..:(
[QUOTE=roadrunner;463069]Buffett gets his money from investments and does not creat one job. If he gets his money from a business he would pay 38% in taxes and he would be a job creator.
We do not have a revenue problem we have a spending problem and now with the current administration we have a HUGE SPENDING PROBLEM This administration has spent trillions of dollars and has nothing to show for it. I hate the way they spend my tax dollars and I do not want to send them any more.
What Buffett is saying is take 1.00 out of the system tax it .38 now you have .62 and you will take another.37 to handle the money and then you will put .25 back into the system. If this makes sense to you I see why you support Obama.[/QUOTE]
What Buffett is saying is take 1.00 out of the system tax it .38 now you have .62 and you will take another.37 to handle the money and then you will put .25 back into the system. If this makes sense to you I see why you support Obama.[/QUOTE]
Berkshire Hathaway runs railroads (by owning them they run them), pharmacutical companies, agricultural companies and tons of other interests. 90% of his holdings are in companies from the good old USA. Not only does he create jobs he creates thousands of jobs in the US.
I think he his one of the few business persons with some true ethics.
It's not only him that are calling for fair tax structure there are pleanty of others as well.
One of the reasons they want to increase revenues for the USA is that they know that in order for all of their assets to be protected they need a STRONG USA. Billions of $$ are not much fun when you have to drive your Bentley on dirt roads, you need to hire mercinaries to go with you to the grocery and regional governments and rebels hijack your goods or confiscate them at the boarder
This is a big country, It needs a big government. Yes we can par it down some, but it is not going to survive on a shoestring.
[QUOTE=waterdog101;463079] I sure would be a happy camper, if I could make a million dollars a year. and pay 1/2 of it in taxes. so I say let those that make the big money, pay more taxes.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing if you spent a good majority of your life working hard to get to the point to where you made a million dollars per year you'd look at this a little differently. Maybe not, but maybe so. I'm sure everyone has some extra money to give away. Let's all just run down to the corner and give it the homeless guy and everybody else that would like a piece of it. You first.........
A lot of it is in the decisions you make. I don't know many on this board here personally so I'm not passing any judgement on anyone here. I work in one of the poorest counties in the state of Indiana. I see it everyday. The vast majority of people that surround me did not just "fall" on hard times, it happened because of the choices they made, starting right out of high school. They don't make much but spend a whole lot on frivolous items like the latest smartphones, 20" rims, big exhausts, big vehicles, cigarettes, lottery tickets, etc. etc. You know the drill we've all seen it.
If you legitimately fell on hard times it's one thing. But I think what Geo is trying to say is "don't expect me to pay for your stupid decisions".
I'm in a higher tax bracket and I don't mind what I pay in taxes. Just spend it wisely. Right now they are not.
roadrunner your assumption that if you tax small business owners (those making $250,000) then they wont hire and expand their business is dead wrong--i am a small business owner and consumption determines if i hire or expand not if i have to pay an extra 3% in taxes--if an increase in business demands you hire more employees or expand than that is what a smart business man will do to keep his business growing and making more money--if you refuse to meet the increasing demand of your growing business because you have to pay an extra 3% than you'll be outa business and deservingly so