Is UK that good, or is the SEC that bad?

[QUOTE=kyfanatic;482948]Arkansas beat Michigan by double digits,Arkansas is 10th in the SEC:rolleyes:

It's not the atmosphere at Big Ten venues so much as just a little too much homecooking by Big Ten Officiating.Yea,yea don't blame the refs,but I watch too many games with too many unevenly called games.If you have a fair whistle some of your teams including Indiana who can only win at home aren't so intimidating.

The NCAA Tourney is a whole different animal and anything can happen in a one and done tourney.UConn last year is a prime example.Just have to see what the matchups are,but I'll take my chances on UK.[/QUOTE]

Umm.....we did win a few on the road this year....and that was in the top conference in the land. What a b.s statement about the refs.....just b.s!!!

[QUOTE=Netboy Extraordinaire;482966][QUOTE=lroberts;482895]The Big 10 venues are much harder to play in those football crazy SEC gyms, not to mention we play basketball at a much higher level from top to bottom. The atmosphere in those buildings gives much more of a homecourt advantage.

Arkansas RPI #100 - Michigan RPI #11, Arkansas finishes 10th in the SEC, Michigan ties for the Big Ten Regular Season Title. Michigan travels to Arkansas. Arkansas beats Michigan and sends them back to Ann Arbor looking for Chris Webber. It is a dang good thing Arkansas is a "Football Cracy SEC Gym" because if the SEC ever added Basketball to their Universities, Michigan would have needed the entire Fab 5.

I know you are going to say, it just proves that on any day anybody can beat anybody. Parity is all across College Basketball. The top 5 conferences are seperated by less than 1.5 points in the RPI. But there is ONLY 1 team in America that has not had a Bad Loss on their schedule. I consider a Bad Loss as a Blowout loss or a Home Loss. Syracuse was blown out at Notre Dame, Kansas was blown out by Missouri and then was getting blown out by Missouri at Kansas when they came back and won the game in OT, North Carolina was blown out at Florida State plus lost at Home to Duke blowing a double digit lead. Duke lost at home to Florida State and was blown out by North Carolina. Michigan State lost at home to Ohio State, Ohio State lost at home to Michigan State and Wisconsin. Pick a contender and you will find a Bad Loss on their record, EXCEPT Kentucky. Kentucky won every home game, dominated the 4th best Conference by winning 13 of 16 games by 9 points or more. If losing to Indiana at Indiana is a Bad Loss, then Indiana is not that good. Indiana is pretty good for they finished 5th in the best conference in America and will be seeded as a #4 or #5 in the Big Dance. I will take my chances with the Favorite and that is Kentucky. I believe there is only 1 team in America that has a chance to beat them if everyone plays up to their potential and that is North Carolina. The only reason is Carolina's point guard is better than Kentucky's point guard. But, the next 6 players are advantage Kentucky - not by much but still advantage Kentucky[/QUOTE]

Michigan is a much better team now....Arkansas is not. I'm not arguing that UK should win it all this year...they should. I just don't think (or hope) they will. The Big 10 is the best conference top to bottom, and has several title contenders. The Big Dance will be a ton of fun to watch...and I'm done arguing with you and your Blue Vision!!!!

[QUOTE=lroberts;482969]I will not take Indiana over the field...I don't think we are that good this year. Next year, that will be a different story with losing no starters and gaining the #2 recruiting class. Wow, take UK every year in the bracket....you have some serious Blue Vision!!![/QUOTE]


I am a Kentucky Fan. Been so for as long as I can remember in my 44 years of living. Remember listening to Caywod calling the games on the radio helping my Dad and Grandfather strip tobacco or cut firewood or whatever. The only Coach that I Dislike is Rick Pitino. I have no problem with Louisville Basketball Team but don't like their Coach for reasons that I have stated here before. I watch as much Basketball as I can, no matter who is playing, because it is also my son's favorite sport. No matter who is playing we will watch and not root for any team specifically but will watch as fans of the sport. As far as Kentucky goes, I am no where near as fanatical about them as I used to be. I remember the game that Kentucky and Duke played when Rashad Carruth was a Freshman at Kentucky and scored 20 points but Duke won the game. I had a bunch of friends over to watch and go physically sick after they lost. My wife would hate it when Kentucky lost a game because I was pissed off for the next couple of days. Not that important to me today but I still Love my Cats.

I just find it extremely odd that out of 31 games including games against teams that tend to draw more fouls than Indiana such as North Carolina,Kansas,and Louisville, that the Kentucky @ Indiana game was the only game where Anthony Davis had 4 fouls and had to sit most of the game.

[QUOTE=kyfanatic;482977]I just find it extremely odd that out of 31 games including games against teams that tend to draw more fouls than Indiana such as North Carolina,Kansas,and Louisville, that the Kentucky @ Indiana game was the only game where Anthony Davis had 4 fouls and had to sit most of the game.[/QUOTE]

You do realize that the "teams" of referees travel around the country, and don't just ref for one conference right? The refs in that game likely did a game at Rupp, and more than a few in the SEC. So the whole Big 10 or IU bias from the refs is b.s. Zeller and co were smart and took it at Davis, got the calls, and he had to sit. Fouls are part of the game. Somebody said that Davis only had 60 fouls all year.....in your way of thinking that sounds like "home cooking" to me.

[QUOTE=lroberts;482979]You do realize that the "teams" of referees travel around the country, and don't just ref for one conference right? The refs in that game likely did a game at Rupp, and more than a few in the SEC. So the whole Big 10 or IU bias from the refs is b.s. Zeller and co were smart and took it at Davis, got the calls, and he had to sit. Fouls are part of the game. Somebody said that Davis only had 60 fouls all year.....in your way of thinking that sounds like "home cooking" to me.[/QUOTE]


The refs for the game were Lead Official Ted Valentine, Mike Kitts and Tom Eades.

Valentine officiated 20 Big Ten Games to that point and 28 other games between 7 different conferences, average of 4 per conference. Last year he officiated 20 Big Ten Games and 36 others between 8 different conferences or 4.5 average per Conference.


Kitts officiated 21 Big Ten Games to that point and 24 other games between 6 conferences, average 4 per conference.

Tom Eades officiated 9 Big Ten and 17 SEC games out of 40 games to date of the IU / Kentucky game.

Not saying the officials were biased towards or against one team or the other. But when the lead official and one of his running mates are Big Ten officials, who knows.

Go Dale Jr...

[QUOTE=Netboy Extraordinaire;482985]The refs for the game were Lead Official Ted Valentine, Mike Kitts and Tom Eades.

Valentine officiated 20 Big Ten Games to that point and 28 other games between 7 different conferences, average of 4 per conference. Last year he officiated 20 Big Ten Games and 36 others between 8 different conferences or 4.5 average per Conference.


Kitts officiated 21 Big Ten Games to that point and 24 other games between 6 conferences, average 4 per conference.

Tom Eades officiated 9 Big Ten and 17 SEC games out of 40 games to date of the IU / Kentucky game.

Not saying the officials were biased towards or against one team or the other. But when the lead official and one of his running mates are Big Ten officials, who knows.[/QUOTE]

If Valentine was the lead official UK surely had an advantage. Going back to the Knight days Valentine has a hatred for IU because of an incident at Assembly Hall. Knight went out on the floor to tend to an injured player (Luke Recker) and Valentine T'd him up for being on the floor, even though the trainer was already out there with him...then ejected Knight when he argued the T. Totally rediculous call and ejection, although Knight earned his fair share over the years. Valentine was actually banned from the Big 10 for a couple of years, and has since been allowed back. He has shown in every game since that he gives the other team the benefit of the doubt against us..... i.e the Wisconsin game this year....awful, absolutely awful...and we still shoulda/coulda won the game up there!

[QUOTE=redneckshadrap;483014]Go Dale Jr...[/QUOTE]

No way dude Danica Patrick all the way!

Teddy Valentine does hate IU.

And Arkansas is a tough gym to play in.

[QUOTE=psprowler;483039]No way dude Danica Patrick all the way!

Teddy Valentine does hate IU.

And Arkansas is a tough gym to play in.[/QUOTE]

Danica and Dale Jr., talk about OVER-RATED. One hasn't won a NASCAR race since they started driving on asphalt and the other never will win a NASCAR race.