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[QUOTE=GeoFisher;541580]I got edjumacated, and learned a trade. I chose to not to earn minimum wage.
And it doesn't matter two shits that a company earns millions. You pay what someone is worth, not some arbitrary dollar amount, determined by some ******** politician based on what they think a company should pay.
I feel you should pay me a 1000 dollars to mow your **** yard.....because your yard is required to be mowed and I think there should be a minimum wage for lawn mowing.........GOOD GAWD.
Sounds a little socialist to me.........[/QUOTE]
That's a crock of crap. If it was then you would be making $4.25 and hour while people like us would be making 40 cents an hour. There is ZERO way you can justify that kind of behavior in any normal way involving human beings.
That right there is why Walmart ***** and people bitch and moan all the time about customer service. Pay better and treat your employees better and guess what happens.......wait for it....you get better employees who actually care about their job. It is a business practice of most successful companies, Walmart just happens to be the exception. They are so far gone from the principals that Sam Walton founded that company on that it is ridiculous. Its what happens when greed is out of control. Money is not the root of all evil, but the love of money sure as hell is.
Its atitudes like your George that are the reasons that Unions were formed way back when! It is attitudes like yours that a minimum wage exist. So really, all the things that you believe are ruining the free market economy in this country are the cause of the very things you despise. Now that's ironic!
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Yeah you definitely have to watch getting hooked on that vitamin p man. I kicked my habit cold turkey by getting married. There are millions of folks that didn't go to college that make a great living. My mom didn't go and worked her way all the way up to director of purchasing at one of the larger healthcare conglomerates in Louisville. She makes more than everybody in my immediate family and my wife's for that matter.
It's going to be tough going forward shoot I think you'll need 3 degrees just to flip burgers at mcD's before its all said and done. But hard work and wise lifestyle choices will always keep you a step ahead. You gotta want it. And you do have to work for a company that rewards hard work and/or sees the potential. On the flip side you have to be able to recognize fairly early what type of employer you are working for too. Everyday I go to work its like the road warriors against the Mulkey brothers, and we're not the ones that get "iron man" for entrance music. But Im a glutton for punishment and hopefully my kids will observe the hard work just like I did with my parents growing up.
My almost mother in law has worked for wal-mart literally forever and she makes a decent wage so I do know at least one person.
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[QUOTE=mhall;541590]Here is another point I want to make. Not everybody can go to college, I didn't and know lots of guys that didn't and we did great. Are we less intelligent, in my case maybe, ''strong maybe'' but I started at a job right out of high school and was slated to go into the Marine corp. I was scheduled to sign up and a little over a month away I backed out because of a stupid girl. I was eat plum up with her, she was smoking hot and had...............uhhhh, well everything I was wanting A LOT. She talked me out of it and I still hold that and a bunch of other stuff against her to this day, very long story. We almost married and didn't...thank you God.
I worked several jobs and then started for the company I work for now in July of 1981. Started for 3:50 per hour and worked like three Mules. I took pride in running sissy boys off that couldn't hang. You know that 18 year old mentality, meaner than a striped snake or at least I thought I was and liked it. I now after over 33 years am plant manager and work with the family that owns this place and I am family to them. I can assure you I make well more than that 3:50 per hour I started at.
I tell that story not to pop off and sound cocky but to make a point. Everybody can't punch a keyboard and sit at a desk or America does not run, it stops. Now what I did will not work for everybody but the basic premise just might. But in order for it to work the powers that be have to acknowledge it and reward it. That has to happen and if it doesn't many try very very hard and still fall short and that I will never make light of or stand on my pulpit and say they didn't try hard because some tried very hard and still fell short.[/QUOTE]
If there was a way to LIKE this post more than once I would! You made the same point that I was trying to make, but somehow your big pumnpkin with a lack of brain matter actually made it much better than I!
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[QUOTE=mhall;541589]I call Bull Sh it. I have a buddy that has been in management with them for a shade over 20 years and makes 19.89 per hour. Walmart has questionable practices and if Sam Walton was alive he would probably have a stroke. My buddy Rick Churchman's wife Gail was in upper management over three stores and was involved in payroll, payables, recievables and some other sensitive areas and she can tell stories that would curl your hair.
They own their own store now selling pellet stoves, and manufactured stone products and what not. When she left they tried every which way but Sunday to screw her out of her 401 K she had earned and some other stuff.
While I agree with you on your basic premise in fact we all are, you ain't selling me the Walmart is a good company to work for stuff I ain't buying bro. It use to be maybe, now I am not so sure.[/QUOTE]
Mark.......19.89 an hour is 41k at Wally World. That doesn't include OT and Holiday Pay.....I call that pretty good........just sayin. But I do agree that there are bad seeds.
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[QUOTE=Tim_T;541593]That's a crock of crap. If it was then you would be making $4.25 and hour while people like us would be making 40 cents an hour. There is ZERO way you can justify that kind of behavior in any normal way involving human beings.
That right there is why Walmart ***** and people bitch and moan all the time about customer service. Pay better and treat your employees better and guess what happens.......wait for it....you get better employees who actually care about their job. It is a business practice of most successful companies, Walmart just happens to be the exception. They are so far gone from the principals that Sam Walton founded that company on that it is ridiculous. Its what happens when greed is out of control. Money is not the root of all evil, but the love of money sure as hell is.
Its atitudes like your George that are the reasons that Unions were formed way back when! It is attitudes like yours that a minimum wage exist. So really, all the things that you believe are ruining the free market economy in this country are the cause of the very things you despise. Now that's ironic![/QUOTE]
There's a fine line between greed and doing what's best for business. Finding that happy sweet spot is tough sledding some companies do and some obviously go too far on the greed side. I always wondered why it was necessary for sales to hit 1.5 billion or failure and layoffs were imminent, even if a company raked in a mere 1.25 billion. I just ate at chick fil-a they seem to have employees who are engaged in their jobs while the company is doing well. They probably do respect their employees I'm guessing.
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[QUOTE=GeoFisher;541597]Mark.......19.89 an hour is 41k at Wally World. That doesn't include OT and Holiday Pay.....I call that pretty good........just sayin. But I do agree that there are bad seeds.[/QUOTE]
Yes and I wasn't making light of that pay is its not bad at all but he killed himself for over 20 years just to get there. When he wants off work it takes some kind of act of Congress and some Poobah sitting on a porcelin throne has to approve it.
He could have taken his talents elsewhere and done much better but I wouldn't tell him that and hurt his feelings but its true.
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Some nice points being made guys, good conversation and I have enjoyed the back and forth.
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[QUOTE=mhall;541602]Some nice points being made guys, good conversation and I have enjoyed the back and forth.[/QUOTE]
THank tim shoot if he just would've been working the other day when you guys went this never would've got to 4 pages!
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Don, I saw you and Q coming so I decided to clock out for lunch! LOL[/QUOTE]
Hahahahah! I asked him several times to stop sanging an dancin to madonnas "vogue" while walking down around the store! It's a wonder we didn't get tossed out!!!:p :o
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[QUOTE=psprowler;541595]Yeah you definitely have to watch getting hooked on that vitamin p man. I kicked my habit cold turkey by getting married. There are millions of folks that didn't go to college that make a great living. My mom didn't go and worked her way all the way up to director of purchasing at one of the larger healthcare conglomerates in Louisville. She makes more than everybody in my immediate family and my wife's for that matter.
It's going to be tough going forward shoot I think you'll need 3 degrees just to flip burgers at mcD's before its all said and done. But hard work and wise lifestyle choices will always keep you a step ahead. You gotta want it. And you do have to work for a company that rewards hard work and/or sees the potential. On the flip side you have to be able to recognize fairly early what type of employer you are working for too. Everyday I go to work its like the road warriors against the Mulkey brothers, and we're not the ones that get "iron man" for entrance music. But Im a glutton for punishment and hopefully my kids will observe the hard work just like I did with my parents growing up.
My almost mother in law has worked for wal-mart literally forever and she makes a decent wage so I do know at least one person.[/QUOTE]
You crack me up with the witty well placed stuff in your posts, LOL
Your Mother and mine had something in common. Mine only had a high school education as well but retired from Central State hospital after 30 plus years as a Labratory technician. I can still remember after she had over 20 years or so in she came home very upset. She told my Dad and us that she was possibly going to lose her job. The reason was state laws for her given field were to require a college degree moving forward and if she did not have one she would either have to pursue and obtain one or be let go.
Well long story short the man that was in charge of that entire labratory department litterally went to Frankfort and went to bat for Mom. He told them that Mom was actually his liason to help train and watch over the newby's straight from college and to show them the right way to do the work and what was expected. She was fantastic at her work and became a hands on scientist of all the equipment and human fluids with hands on training.
She was one of if not the best vampires they ever had down there. Now that would not wash today but wanted to share that story as your story of your Mom is closely related.
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In my opinion hands on training is very under-rated in this world. I'm only as good as my helpers make me look, and quite frankly they are better than me right now even though I have the degree. The reason being is they all have worked there for years while I have only been in this particular sector about 6 months.
