World record bass caught

[QUOTE=Webby709;374867]It really is sad to see Americans still whining about Japan doing it better. In the 70's-80's we whined about them do a better job of building a car and now we suffer. If instead we had done less whining and more pulling up the boot straps and doing something about it maybe we could figure out how to do it better again.

Instead of putting up excuses maybe we should just work harder at improving.

Just my 2 cents.

Congrats to Japan at created such a great fishery.[/QUOTE]


Lets all build ourselves a RECORDS FACTORY pond behind our houses and start breeding and feeding. WHO KNOWS maybe the NEXT WORLD RECORD BASS WILL COME FROM your very own breeding and feeding facility.

Perry's bass was caught in its native enviroment and it was really a special fish to have reached the size it did. In my opinion this is what a record should stand for. Something verrrrrrrry special and not something that is a freak of nature.

Go ahead, I encourage you to try "growing" a record fish, just don't get too hard on yourself when you fail. Do you even have any idea what it takes for a bass to gets that big? It takes a perfect ecosystem and it can't just be "build". What makes you think that a bass in Japan doesn't have to go thru as much perils as in America? Any scientific evidences or just speculation? Take off that confederate flag t-shirt and just enjoy it for what it is.

A key word some seem to overlook is "World ".Not a Ky ,Ga, Ca or Tx record bass ,but World record bass.Webster defines world as our planet to include all bodies of land,water and the atmosphere. It may come as a surprise to some,BUT to succeed in business,sports ,fishing,etc;we have to compete on a world level.Not local,state or national,but a world level.Not saying the playing field is level or fair,but thats the way the ball bounces!

[QUOTE=idbefishing;374919]Go ahead, I encourage you to try "growing" a record fish, just don't get too hard on yourself when you fail. Do you even have any idea what it takes for a bass to gets that big? It takes a perfect ecosystem and it can't just be "build". What makes you think that a bass in Japan doesn't have to go thru as much perils as in America? Any scientific evidences or just speculation? Take off that confederate flag t-shirt and just enjoy it for what it is.[/QUOTE]

You beat me to it.. well said.. It's like he thinks it's some simple task. it takes a lot more than money to have a fishery that will support a record bass.


[QUOTE=bullmerc;374915]Have YOU even READ anything I have posted in the topic??????????? Obviously you only pick a word here and there and then make your judgement.

If your assesment of the subject matter were correct anyone with the money and the know how could manipulate any species of critter in order to "build" them a NEW WORLD RECORD. I can see it now a pond sanitized and climate controlled and stocked with only record class bass offspring and fed as many trout and other highly nutritious food sources as they can handle and within a few years some guy says he tossed a bait into the water and what do you know a 30 pound bass and a NEW WORLD RECORD.

If this is your idea of a fair and level playing field then that is your right but don't try to demonize myself or others for standing up for what we feel is right.

The only FOOLS in American sportfishing will be the ones who bow down and enbrace this NEW WORLD RECORD.[/QUOTE]


I'm reading all your words. No one is demonizing you but yourself. I'm not the only one seeing the words you are typing as a ridiculous excuse. You are clearly being a poor sport.

Does it matter that there is little documentaion of George Perry's record? I am not sure I believe the story behind it. I would like to see if his fish would stand up under today's scrutiny. I seriously doubt that it would. I think it has a bit of a fairy tail behind it.

.[QUOTE=idbefishing;374919]Go ahead, I encourage you to try "growing" a record fish, just don't get too hard on yourself when you fail. Do you even have any idea what it takes for a bass to gets that big? It takes a perfect ecosystem and it can't just be "build". What makes you think that a bass in Japan doesn't have to go thru as much perils as in America? Any scientific evidences or just speculation? Take off that confederate flag t-shirt and just enjoy it for what it is.[/QUOTE]

You kids play nice....no more name calling...you can argue all you want.

bullmerc,
Please, please, please stop. It's becoming quite painful to read your posts. Your opinion is fine (off by a mile), but fine. However, when developing that opinion it helps to have accurate to semi-accurate information, your head out of the sand, and your ideals and views about fisheries and fishing adapted to the present day and age - in 2009, not 1900.

In reading every single word, and all of the posts, my suggestion is you should just stop right there. You are 100% wrong in just about each of them and there is absolutely no logic and/or fact to any of it. I'm not saying you're bitter or upset, I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about so it makes it seem to others that you're bitter or upset. Scary are the people who agree with you. Gives me the heebeejeebies.

Just pump the brakes a little and hit the public library for some books, or take some time to attend a biology class. Just please don't ruin this site with that kind of unsubstantiated non-sense - others who agree with this guy- please do the same.

BTW people have been trying to grow world record bass in controlled environments for years and years. Some are privately owned others are DFG owned fisheries.

See quote below:

There is a growing trend across the South to build your own Florida bass mecca. Here in the Jackson, Mississippi metro area, there are several residential developments built around a lake or lakes that are stocked with Florida bass and being managed to grow monsters. Several examples come to mind. Greystone Lake (100 acres) has already produced 16 pound bass and reportedly had a bass shocked up this Spring over 19 pounds which would be a new Mississippi record.

[U]Sowbelly [/U]by Monte Burke is a very informative and interesting read. Many of your issues are addressed in it but are done so with research and accuracy- not opinion.

Willi3

[QUOTE=ON3 3Y3D WILLI3;374978]bullmerc,
Please, please, please stop. It's becoming quite painful to read your posts. Your opinion is fine (off by a mile), but fine. However, when developing that opinion it helps to have accurate to semi-accurate information, your head out of the sand, and your ideals and views about fisheries and fishing adapted to the present day and age - in 2009, not 1900.

In reading every single word, and all of the posts, my suggestion is you should just stop right there. You are 100% wrong in just about each of them and there is absolutely no logic and/or fact to any of it. I'm not saying you're bitter or upset, I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about so it makes it seem to others that you're bitter or upset. Scary are the people who agree with you. Gives me the heebeejeebies.

Just pump the brakes a little and hit the public library for some books, or take some time to attend a biology class. Just please don't ruin this site with that kind of unsubstantiated non-sense - others who agree with this guy- please do the same.

[B]BTW people have been trying to grow world record bass in controlled environments for years and years. Some are privately owned others are DFG owned fisheries.[/B]

See quote below:

There is a growing trend across the South to build your own Florida bass mecca. Here in the Jackson, Mississippi metro area, there are several residential developments built around a lake or lakes that are stocked with Florida bass and being managed to grow monsters. Several examples come to mind. Greystone Lake (100 acres) has already produced 16 pound bass and reportedly had a bass shocked up this Spring over 19 pounds which would be a new Mississippi record.

[U]Sowbelly [/U]by Monte Burke is a very informative and interesting read. Many of your issues are addressed in it but are done so with research and accuracy- not opinion.

Willi3[/QUOTE]

You are 100% dead on. Many state fisheries biologist like a buddy of mine try to get into the private sector just to do such things for people with $$$. Its nothing new and has been done for decades, Ray Scott, founder of B.A.S.S. did this in the 70's I believe on his private property near Montgomery, Alabama.

[B]Mass Introduction of Florida Bass Micropterus floridanus into Lake Biwa, Japan, Suggested by Recent Dramatic Genomic Change[/B]

[B]Accession number;[/B]05A0637502[B]Title;[/B]Mass Introduction of Florida Bass Micropterus floridanus into Lake Biwa, Japan, Suggested by Recent Dramatic Genomic Change[B]Author;[/B]YOKOGAWA KOJI NAKAI KATSUKI(Lake Biwa Museum) FUJITA KENTAROU(Univ. Shiga Prefecture, Shiga, Jpn) [B]Journal Title;[/B]Suisan Zoshoku
[B]Journal Code:[/B]Y0285A
[B]ISSN:[/B]0371-4217
[B]VOL.[/B]53;[B]NO.[/B]2;[B]PAGE.[/B]145-155(2005) [B]Figure&Table&Reference;[/B]FIG.4, TBL.4, REF.46[B]Pub. Country;[/B]Japan[B]Language;[/B]English[B]Abstract;[/B]The introduction of Florida bass Micropterus floridanus into Lake Biwa, where largemouth bass M. salmoides from North America had been propagating, was recognized. Isozymes of 194 individuals from four coastal localities in Lake Biwa from 2000 to 2003 were examined for comparison with former samples collected in the 1990s. M. salmoides and M. floridanus were genetically identified with the diagnostically polymorphic loci of AAT-1, IDHP-1, MDH-1, and SOD. Alleles symbolized M. floridanus frequently appeared at all of the loci among the individuals examined; in general, about half of the total had those alleles. All of the sample lots fitted the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium for each polymorphic locus, and most of them showed an excess of heterozygotes. Based on the genotypes at the diagnostic loci, most individuals were identified as F2 hybrids, backcross or higher-generation offspring, indicating that the hybridization between M. salmoides and M. floridanus has already progressed considerably in Lake Biwa. Considering the predominance of M. salmoides in Lake Biwa in the 1990s, the present results indicate the possibility that mass introduction of M. floridanus was carried out on a large scale so as to greatly influence the genetic characteristics of the M. salmoides population.

[QUOTE=bullmerc;374991][B]Mass Introduction of Florida Bass Micropterus floridanus into Lake Biwa, Japan, Suggested by Recent Dramatic Genomic Change[/B]

[B]Accession number;[/B]05A0637502[B]Title;[/B]Mass Introduction of Florida Bass Micropterus floridanus into Lake Biwa, Japan, Suggested by Recent Dramatic Genomic Change[B]Author;[/B]YOKOGAWA KOJI NAKAI KATSUKI(Lake Biwa Museum) FUJITA KENTAROU(Univ. Shiga Prefecture, Shiga, Jpn) [B]Journal Title;[/B]Suisan Zoshoku
[B]Journal Code:[/B]Y0285A
[B]ISSN:[/B]0371-4217
[B]VOL.[/B]53;[B]NO.[/B]2;[B]PAGE.[/B]145-155(2005) [B]Figure&Table&Reference;[/B]FIG.4, TBL.4, REF.46[B]Pub. Country;[/B]Japan[B]Language;[/B]English[B]Abstract;[/B]The introduction of Florida bass Micropterus floridanus into Lake Biwa, where largemouth bass M. salmoides from North America had been propagating, was recognized. Isozymes of 194 individuals from four coastal localities in Lake Biwa from 2000 to 2003 were examined for comparison with former samples collected in the 1990s. M. salmoides and M. floridanus were genetically identified with the diagnostically polymorphic loci of AAT-1, IDHP-1, MDH-1, and SOD. Alleles symbolized M. floridanus frequently appeared at all of the loci among the individuals examined; in general, about half of the total had those alleles. All of the sample lots fitted the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium for each polymorphic locus, and most of them showed an excess of heterozygotes. Based on the genotypes at the diagnostic loci, most individuals were identified as F2 hybrids, backcross or higher-generation offspring, indicating that the hybridization between M. salmoides and M. floridanus has already progressed considerably in Lake Biwa. Considering the predominance of M. salmoides in Lake Biwa in the 1990s, the present results indicate the possibility that mass introduction of M. floridanus was carried out on a large scale so as to greatly influence the genetic characteristics of the M. salmoides population.[/QUOTE]


So what? All that means is that FL strain and regular LMB have been hybridizing for about three generations, roughly 6-9 years at the time of the study.
No different then any other bass caught from the South East to Texas to California.

Besides, IFGA does not distinguish between M. salmoides and M. floridanus so its a moot point. The people in the area wanted bigger fish, just like the people who manage every lake in this country want bigger fish. Bigger fish = more fishermen = more money spent in local economy = more local jobs = more local taxes = more money in the pockets of the people that manage the body of water.

(1) Biological Laboratory, Faculty of Education, Nagasaki University, 1-14 Bunkyo-Machi, Nagasaki, 852-8521, Japan(2) Kyushu Bunka Gakuen Senior High School, 1-8 Yatake-Machi, Sasebo, 857-0047, Japan

Abstract Little is known about the ecology of largemouth bass, Micropterus salmoides in non-native environments. The stomach contents of a total of 381 bass ranging from 21 to 283 mm TL in a small lake in Japan were examined monthly from April to November 1992 by the [IMG]http://www.springerlink.com/content/p7706n818706m50t/xxlarge8216.gif[/IMG]points[IMG]http://www.springerlink.com/content/p7706n818706m50t/xxlarge8217.gif[/IMG] method. The proportion of bass with empty stomachs increased in larger fish. The principal foods of the bass regardless of size consisted of two numerically dominant gobiids, the trident goby, Tridentiger obscurus, and paradise goby, Rhinogobius giurinus. The young-of-the-year (YOY) bass fed exclusively and selectively on the abundant young of paradise goby. As they grew, the bass also consumed fewer but larger trident goby. Bass of all sizes preferred these gobies from spring to autumn when several successive gobiid cohorts recruited from offshore and settled inshore. In contrast, YOY bluegill, Lepomis macrochirus, of 10-20 mm TL were selected only during summer. Bass switched from zooplanktivory to piscivory at 30-40 mm TL, much smaller than previously reported in their native range. Presumably because of the high availability and vulnerability of the gobies, the bass became piscivorous earlier and grew quickly. The gobies also allowed the bluegill to largely escape predation risk from the bass.