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If we are going to take the tourny guy versus fun fishing guy approach then noone can win. Like many of the guys on here i am both and i respect the water and other fisherman while doing both. I have been done wrong while doing both and i bet it will happen again....even on the boat ramp!:mad: That's an entire thread in itself....
[QUOTE=kc;296788]Amen Geo and to all who bring up "respect". That is the bottom line and so many bass fishermen these days have lost that concept. Early in the thread an obvious tournament fisherman was questioning whether the rude actions described in another post were tournament fishermen or not but what I have noticed is on the week ends as boats coming flying down the lake lined up one after the other for over an hour at times is when the rudeness peaks (obvious tournament take off). I believe tournament fishing brings out the a-hole personality in too many people. Maybe they don't do well or feel they have to be a pro which is too much pressure on them and they take it way too serious and respect goes out the window.
I just can't see how people with this kind of attitude and mindset can even enjoy fishing. Even if they catch their limit they would probably still chew your head off if you were on the next spot they wanted to fish. It is just not worth it -- guys that serious need to seriously consider another past time.
But commenting on the gist of this thread it all comes back to respect. If I was on a spot and any angler comes up to me in a friendly manner and talks to me I never act possessive over water. But for a rude jerk and I won't give an inch. Those are the only moments I lose my respect for my fellow anglers.
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Obvious tourney fisherman...yep, but a big shiny boat,a big engine,a tourney shirt,stickers on the boat and screaming down the lake still doesnt make you a tourney fisherman at the moment,I see people like this during the week when no tourneys are on the lake....just because you buy a white lab coat and walk thru the hospital doesnt make you a doctor
Why is it always a tourny guy versus the fun fishing guy. Just like the Hatfields and the McCoys I don't think there will ever be a clear winner. My opinion is that they are jerks on both sides as in most cases and someone always either looking to screw someone else up or just be difficult. No respect on either side of the fence. Here is a thought. Lets just have tournament only lakes, and recreation fishing only lakes. This way neither party has to deal with the other. Solve a lot of issues in my opinion
Whomever has the hole first gets it. If he wants to keep fish, that's up to him as long as he's not breaking any laws.
It really is as simple as that.
I had a guy try to jump on my spot while I was in a tournament on Barkley. I was C-rigging a hump, and he came right in on me. I told him that I was there first, and he got smart. I asked if he was in a tournament, he said he wasn't ( I was going to file a complaint). He asked if I was, and I said yes. He then started to tell me how tournament fishermen think they own the water, etc. I said that didn't matter in this situation, because I was there first. It didn't matter if I was in a tournament or not, I had the spot.
He swung around again to come in on my spot, and I lobbed my C-rig at his boat, and hit it in the side. That 1 1/2 oz egg sinker made a really pretty CCCRRAAAACCCCKKKK sound when it hit his boat. He started cussing and giving me the finger, but then he left. I guess getting c-rigs lobbed at his boat wasn't worth it to him. LOL
Lots of differing opinions here.
The guys had every right to say no. I probably would've backed off and watched the pro, maybe learned something. But I know when/where the big tourneys are going on Barkley and KY lake and try to avoid them by going to the far end of the other lake that day.
I was at Santee Cooper during last year's Elite Series Event and had one creek all to myself all week long. I'd watch blast off, then I'd go fish and make it back in time for weigh in to watch. The last day of the tourney, I had 3 pros in my creek. None of them asked me to move aside. They were all very nice and talkative about their day. Takahiro was very nice, just not talkative and I'm sure that was just language barrier. He was the closest to me and just happened to follow me through the cut in the pads that I was fishing. In no way did I hinder his fishing. There were bedding fish everywhere and while i caught lots of nice fish (my best 5 were about 19 lbs each day) Most were buck bass and I couldn't get the really big females to bite. Tak was following me catching those big females, flipping the biggest tubes i've ever seen. he was probably behind me for 45 minutes before i realized he was there and I very slowly went back around behind him as there wasn't a lot of maneuver room for 2 boats.
either way, its the angler's choice to give up the water. with me, its all about the pro's attitude and how i'm feeling that day.
I have read all 62 replies to this point and would like to point out a few things. I''m not a tournament angler and I am a ''good ol'' boy,I have always put tournament anglers in a group by themselves and not thought very good thoughts about them.After reading all the post about this situation I have to say I''m sorry.I have encountered every kind of jerk this world has to offer in life and on the water and here is my opinion.We all go to our lakes,streams or whatever body of water we prefer to get away,unwind,relax and enjoy ourselves.Pleasure boaters,jet skis,fishermen whatever your thing may be,respect is the word my parents taught me.It doesn't take a genius to know if you are crowding someones space or interfering with there time out.We all need to remember why were there and treat each other the way we want to be treated.Just remember were all different and each situation is different,so think before you act,everyone needs to slow down in this fast paced world and share and appreciate whats around them.If I was fishing a spot and a tournament angler trolled up and asked to fish in front of me I can honestly say if asked respectfully,I would move over,offer any help and wish him good luck.
[QUOTE=Cherokee082465;296814]I have read all 62 replies to this point and would like to point out a few things. I''m not a tournament angler and I am a ''good ol'' boy,I have always put tournament anglers in a group by themselves and not thought very good thoughts about them.After reading all the post about this situation I have to say I''m sorry.I have encountered every kind of jerk this world has to offer in life and on the water and here is my opinion.We all go to our lakes,streams or whatever body of water we prefer to get away,unwind,relax and enjoy ourselves.Pleasure boaters,jet skis,fishermen whatever your thing may be,respect is the word my parents taught me.It doesn't take a genius to know if you are crowding someones space or interfering with there time out.We all need to remember why were there and treat each other the way we want to be treated.Just remember were all different and each situation is different,so think before you act,everyone needs to slow down in this fast paced world and share and appreciate whats around them.If I was fishing a spot and a tournament angler trolled up and asked to fish in front of me I can honestly say if asked respectfully,I would move over,offer any help and wish him good luck.[/QUOTE]
well said cherokee....well said
[quote=VMAXX;296800]Obvious tourney fisherman...yep, but a big shiny boat,a big engine,a tourney shirt,stickers on the boat and screaming down the lake still doesnt make you a tourney fisherman at the moment,I see people like this during the week when no tourneys are on the lake....just because you buy a white lab coat and walk thru the hospital doesnt make you a doctor[/quote]
Maybe they stayted at a HOLIDAY INN last night? LOL
I knew the moment I saw this thread that it was going to be a long one and could get rather snippity! So far it's been long but rather mild and that's a sign that this forum is monitored very well. Self moderation is evident in this thread and that's a good thing.
99 times out of 100 times if you show someone respect they will treat you with respect. I think that about says it all.
[quote=Cherokee082465;296814]I have read all 62 replies to this point and would like to point out a few things. I''m not a tournament angler and I am a ''good ol'' boy,I have always put tournament anglers in a group by themselves and not thought very good thoughts about them.After reading all the post about this situation I have to say I''m sorry.I have encountered every kind of jerk this world has to offer in life and on the water and here is my opinion.We all go to our lakes,streams or whatever body of water we prefer to get away,unwind,relax and enjoy ourselves.Pleasure boaters,jet skis,fishermen whatever your thing may be,respect is the word my parents taught me.It doesn't take a genius to know if you are crowding someones space or interfering with there time out.We all need to remember why were there and treat each other the way we want to be treated.Just remember were all different and each situation is different,so think before you act,everyone needs to slow down in this fast paced world and share and appreciate whats around them.If I was fishing a spot and a tournament angler trolled up and asked to fish in front of me I can honestly say if asked respectfully,I would move over,offer any help and wish him good luck.[/quote]
I don't see that, just because someone is fishing a tournament, it gives them any special priviledges. If I get to my fishing hole first, I'm going to keep it. I didn't read anywhere in your post that said, if you won the tournament, you were going to share the prize money with me. So if you aren't going to share, why expect me to? If you want to talk about etiquette, isn't it a bit crass to somehow think you are so special that you would ask someone else to give up their fishing place just for your royal highness?
[QUOTE=Basswipe;296810]Whomever has the hole first gets it. If he wants to keep fish, that's up to him as long as he's not breaking any laws.
It really is as simple as that.
I had a guy try to jump on my spot while I was in a tournament on Barkley. I was C-rigging a hump, and he came right in on me. I told him that I was there first, and he got smart. I asked if he was in a tournament, he said he wasn't ( I was going to file a complaint). He asked if I was, and I said yes. He then started to tell me how tournament fishermen think they own the water, etc. I said that didn't matter in this situation, because I was there first. It didn't matter if I was in a tournament or not, I had the spot.
He swung around again to come in on my spot, and I lobbed my C-rig at his boat, and hit it in the side. That 1 1/2 oz egg sinker made a really pretty CCCRRAAAACCCCKKKK sound when it hit his boat. He started cussing and giving me the finger, but then he left. I guess getting c-rigs lobbed at his boat wasn't worth it to him. LOL[/QUOTE]
Dude hope ya dont ever do that to the wrong person. I know someone that did the same and the guy in the other boat pulled out an auto pistol and put 3 holes in the side of his boat and then drove off.
Back to the thread. I do both types of fishing and I must say that tourney fisherman cut me off more then others and yes I know they are fishing a tournament cause I ask them, then I give em a peace of my mind and follow behind them and when they leave and go to their next spot i follow them and pull right in front of em. The spot belongs to the first person there no matter who you are. I must take my hat off to the ones that ask because they usually dont. But if ya cut me off I will return the favor.
And by the way someone define GOOD OLE BOYS.
I understand what you are saying and there are jerks on any side of a fence. I can be a pretty nasty jerk when someone shows me disrespect on the water. I am just saying that I am a Monday-Friday worker and 80% of my fishing time is on the week end and I notice big time that Saturday/Sunday morning from the tournament take-offs first thing until 3 or 4 in the afternoon is when I encounter about 95% of the disrepectful bass fisherman behavior. It doesn't take a degree in statistics to understand that most of this behavior is oriented to the tournaments. Maybe some of the jerks are actually non-tournament anglers reacting to all of the added activity but I seriously doubt it. I am also being realistic when I report my experiences. It is not like every other boat I encounter during "tournament time" is a jerk but there are considerably more than fishing in the evening or during the week. It is like many take it too seriously and get in "tunnel vision" on their mission and don't have any regard for any one else. They go full throttle the moment they start their big engine, they come flying up full throttle and drop it right where they plan to start, and often it is comical to watch them fish flying down the bank with their trolling motor full blast casting up a storm. I just don't see much of that kind of behavior at other times and don't get cut off nearly as often.
I know most tournament fishermen are not disrepectful and rude. But you know the old saying about how one can spoil the bunch. Look at the other comments in this thread. I don't think I am alone in noticing the increase in disrespect and the growing resentment towards tournaments.
kc