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Fire could burn for MONTHS.
[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fort-mcmurray-wildfire-evacuees-relocated-absolutely-vicious-fire-burns-uncontrollably-n569871[/url]
This is exactly the kind of things that were predicted by Earth Scientists who study global warming and it's effects on our planet.
It does not take much increase in the AVERAGE GLOBAL temperatures to create this type of thing.
I have always thought MAN has an impact on the envirement ,in a broad sense ebverything we do has an impact somewhere down the line.Wonder what the population in that area was 50 years ago?
[QUOTE=Moveon;555115]Fire could burn for MONTHS.
[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fort-mcmurray-wildfire-evacuees-relocated-absolutely-vicious-fire-burns-uncontrollably-n569871[/url]
This is exactly the kind of things that were predicted by Earth Scientists who study global warming and it's effects on our planet.
It does not take much increase in the AVERAGE GLOBAL temperatures to create this type of thing.[/QUOTE]
You know.....the temps change with cycles. This is nothing new, and to blame it on global warming is not only alarmist, but extremely ignorant.
YOU, as a scientist should know that.
What is sad, that there is not enough statistical information about historical trends. We only know about DATA from the recent 100 or 150 years....
There are a whole bunch of fools that believe they know more than they do, and they spend a **** ton of money trying to convince the "world" that the "world" is about to end.
PROVE IT....
Man has no influence on the envirement?
[QUOTE=kygorski;555135]Man has no influence on the envirement?[/QUOTE]
I didn't say that......I said the weather and WARMING / COOLING in particular move in patterns. Are we causing the patterns to shift. Maybe, maybe not.
We don't have enough information, but to the LEFT anyone that wants to gather more, effective information is a dirty rotten SOB, and a denier.....
More information, how about the world population more than doubling in my life time. Everyone of us, in a way, changes the world we live in. Does it cause global warming? Maybe not.But we have finite resouces, and are using them up more quickly. and disposal of new products are becoming a concern I personally don't care that much. I got MINE, and while I use less, it's not a choice, but the realality of aging.I know I'm always harping on my age thing, but I can remember better simpler times.Humans will adapt to their surrondings, for better or worse.
[QUOTE=kygorski;555119]I have always thought MAN has an impact on the environment ,in a broad sense ebverything we do has an impact somewhere down the line.Wonder what the population in that area was 50 years ago?[/QUOTE]
The smoke and fumes from this fire are effecting the entire planet. Smoke from the fires can already be seen over IOWA in the USA via satellite pictures. Those small particles will float around in the atmosphere for a long time. They reflect sunlight back into space and also absorb sunlight in the form of heat. They both heat up the atmosphere though absorption of light and cool down the earth by reflection of other light rays. They decrease the visibility in the air though light scattering in many different directions.
Everything has some type of impact on everything else. As the sun and moon have impacts and influence the earth the Earth in turn has an influence on the moon. Some impacts are huge and very obvious to us mortal humans. Other's are more subtle and harder to see. But they are still there none the less. The earth's ecosystem in complex as is the web of life.
Remember that to convert Ice into water you need to add heat energy. There is a phase change from a solid back to a liquid and it takes more energy to convert from one form to another as opposed to just heating up water or heating up a solid. The solid (ice) absorbs heat and the ice's temperature rises until it's approaching zero deg C or 32 deg F. But to go to 33 deg F the ice has to change phase into a liquid and it takes more heat energy to do this. After the phase change the temperature of the water starts to rise as you add more heat energy.
It only takes a couple of degrees to rise ices temperature and turn it into water. Water is frozen at zero degrees Celsius and it's a liquid at 1 degrees Celsius. So it does not take too much energy to melt the polar ice caps and cause the frozen land based water to melt and flow into the oceans. We know from historical records in the earth that the ocean levels have risen and fallen over the past millions of years. In Geologic Time things change more rapidly. Remember that time is relative. The problem is that millions of years ago when the ocean were much larger and higher and the land was lower there were not many human beings on this planet. Today there are over 7 billion of us using huge quantities of fossil fuels and releasing tremendous amounts of Carbon Dioxide into the Atmosphere. Humans are definitely having a huge impact on the plant we call home. One has to close their eyes and cover their ears and plug up their nose to not see this fact. It's unimaginable to me to not think that 7 billion people don't have an impact on our planet. Just look at the deforestation and slash burning that's going on in South American today. And the same thing happened in Europe many years ago. Also the land was cleared on the North American Continent when the Europeans started living here. We have been chopping down trees for a very long time. And they don't all grow back fast. Some old growth trees take hundreds of years to reach maturity. Other's such as yellow pine can grow back much faster but they grow these forest in a mono-culture environment and that's not as good as a diverse hard wood forest that has many different species of trees and other plants in various stages of their life cycle.
Fortunately the rains have returned to our Northern Neighbor and hopefully they can help bring these vast fires under control. Fire is natures way of reclaiming the land and putting nutrients back into the land that were tied up in the trees. Fire and regrowth are also part of nature. But nature didn't expect to have 7 billion humans on the land either. So our homes and other structures get consumed by the fire and many people have to rebuilt after the flames have died down. And this cycle will repeat itself over time. Again I'm talking Geologic time or in thousands or hundreds of years not just a few minute or hours. The earth will have to circle the sun a few more hundred thousands time for this cycle of life to repeat itself. Now the real question that I ask myself is this? How many humans will still be her in another hundred thousand years. What will our children find when we are all gone? And what about their kids and their grandkids etc etc. And how many times have this Geologic Cycle happened already. I think it's been going on much longer than even the Geologist are telling us based on the geologic rock cycle and the presently know age of the oldest rocks on earth.
[QUOTE=kygorski;555144]More information, how about the world population more than doubling in my life time. Everyone of us, in a way, changes the world we live in. Does it cause global warming? Maybe not.But we have finite resouces, and are using them up more quickly. and disposal of new products are becoming a concern I personally don't care that much. I got MINE, and while I use less, it's not a choice, but the reality of aging.I know I'm always harping on my age thing, but I can remember better simpler times.Humans will adapt to their surroundings, for better or worse.[/QUOTE]
We must adapt or perish. We have always been able to adapt so far. But that's why we are still here now. We are lucky to have developed larger brains and opposable thumbs and the ability to make tools. But what happens when the fossil fuels run out in a few more thousand years? Or Sooner in another couple hundred years. What do we do then? Should we wait until it's too late or should we start figuring out what to do now. I feel that we need to prepare our next generations for the future today not later. But then again most of us wait until the last minutes before doing our homework or writing that report. Now don't we? We wait until the last minute to start our projects. But the smart guys get their work down sooner rather than later at the last minute.
[QUOTE=GeoFisher;555133]You know.....the temps change with cycles. This is nothing new, and to blame it on global warming is not only alarmist, but extremely ignorant.
YOU, as a scientist should know that.
What is sad, that there is not enough statistical information about historical trends. We only know about DATA from the recent 100 or 150 years....
There are a whole bunch of fools that believe they know more than they do, and they spend a **** ton of money trying to convince the "world" that the "world" is about to end.
PROVE IT....[/QUOTE]
The vast majority of earth scientist have stated that Global warming is happening now and has been for some time now. There is no denying that the vast use of fossil fuels is UNPRECEDENTED and is having a HUGE impact on the earth and we humans. Sure we can study it more but that is just another Delay tactic that's been used for a long long time already.
Beside we will run out of coal to burn some day and then what will you have us study then?
OK Lets appoint a comitte [what ever], and do a study.Those words themselves prove that a problem exists.Ah, but getting total agreement from a group is seldom achieved. So it suggests that the opening statement is a delay tactic. It appears we are slowly moving into 1984 new speak. did Orwell ever publish a dictionary?
Try by any means you have to watch John Olivers take on scientific studies. It's a real look at what we get from the media, as science.
[QUOTE=Moveon;555150]The vast majority of earth scientist have stated that Global warming is happening now and has been for some time now. There is no denying that the vast use of fossil fuels is UNPRECEDENTED and is having a HUGE impact on the earth and we humans. Sure we can study it more but that is just another Delay tactic that's been used for a long long time already.
Beside we will run out of coal to burn some day and then what will you have us study then?[/QUOTE]
Not really........there is just as much "science" that states that the warming we worry about is cyclic, and that we've spent TRILLIONS on a non issue.
Ice Caps are larger today than they were 30 years ago......Places that were disappearing due to warming are now growing.
I'm quite SICK of the bull...........Anytime money and gubment are involved, some jack ass will come up with some study to live off the tit of uncle sam.
Some of the same data that told us the polar region was disappearing is being used to say ......OOPS we screwed the pooch on that one.
[url]http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/[/url]
And with glacier national park...........Gore said the glaciers would be gone by 2030...
Well you know what.......they stopped shrinking,, and I believe the USGS has removed their bull crap sites stating they will be gone.
10 years ago, all you heard was bad, bad, bad, bad. NOW, you cannot even find a recent article about Glacier melting away.............
Like I said.......cycles........
[url]https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/04/usgs-appears-to-be-removing-its-websites-claiming-all-glaciers-will-be-melted-from-glacier-national-park-by-2030/[/url]