Totalitarianism

Totalitarianism is a system of government that is centralized, dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state, including individual freedoms. This is what is occurring in America as government, media and private actors unify to stamp out dissent. This may seem vague and fragmented to the general public, but the puzzle is slowly going together. This is an American socialist regime made up of the electric, government bureaucrats, corporations, academia, think tanks, and the media, all apart of this coordination, which is totalitarianism.

Totalitarianism erodes the values, checks and balances against tyranny. So how are we seeing this take place? Americans are losing their jobs, being denied basic services such as banking and social media, businesses crippled by voicing political opinions. Access to information unsanctioned is increasingly difficult. Americans who do not fit into a certain ideology are labeled as racist, extremists or potential terrorists.

Initially, the need to control every aspect of society does not come through government. It starts by acquiring compliance among industrial leaders and the reliance of corporate executives to implement the regime’s agenda voluntarily. The media giants will increasingly control content in journalism and social media. Questioning the legitimacy of an election has now been labeled terrorism. Was this not Germany not so long ago? These totalitarian ideologies are not so detectable at this stage, however they will eventually surface for all to see. The “deep state” wants a one party state with a token opposition, which they can define and control. The American people must educate themselves as to what is happening in this dark underworld.

Bonefish

[QUOTE=Bonefish;580493]Totalitarianism is a system of government that is centralized, dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state, including individual freedoms. This is what is occurring in America as government, media and private actors unify to stamp out dissent. This may seem vague and fragmented to the general public, but the puzzle is slowly going together. This is an American socialist regime made up of the electric, government bureaucrats, corporations, academia, think tanks, and the media, all apart of this coordination, which is totalitarianism.

Totalitarianism erodes the values, checks and balances against tyranny. So how are we seeing this take place? Americans are losing their jobs, being denied basic services such as banking and social media, businesses crippled by voicing political opinions. Access to information unsanctioned is increasingly difficult. Americans who do not fit into a certain ideology are labeled as racist, extremists or potential terrorists.

Initially, the need to control every aspect of society does not come through government. It starts by acquiring compliance among industrial leaders and the reliance of corporate executives to implement the regime’s agenda voluntarily. The media giants will increasingly control content in journalism and social media. Questioning the legitimacy of an election has now been labeled terrorism. Was this not Germany not so long ago? These totalitarian ideologies are not so detectable at this stage, however they will eventually surface for all to see. The “deep state” wants a one party state with a token opposition, which they can define and control. The American people must educate themselves as to what is happening in this dark underworld.

Bonefish[/QUOTE]

Hey Bone, could you give an example of "Questioning the legitimacy of an election has now been labeled terrorism?"

[QUOTE=jcb;580498]Hey Bone, could you give an example of "Questioning the legitimacy of an election has now been labeled terrorism?"[/QUOTE]

I’m not sure you are serious? At least I hope you are not.

President Trump’s claim of stolen election was noted in his speech at the Capital, and one could see and hear the frustration he has endured from the constant war with the “deep state” from even before he was elected president. Ninety nine percent of the demonstrators that day were peaceful. It was actually a small group of protestors that became disorderly and occupied the capital. The “far-left” media immediately labeled these protestors as “rebels” or “domestic terrorist.” Extremist on both sides of the political spectrum have sought to provoke violence, which cannot be tolerated. We as a nation are drowning in falsehoods. We need a moral awakening. Our world of addition, despair and moral confusion has taken its toll. In reality, America is the last firewall against global anarchy, and that is why it is so important that this nation holds fast to a civil way of life.

The most important goal of evil is chaos. Karl Marx realized people would never vote to give up their rights, and concluded that violent revolution was essential to setting his system in place. Iran and ISIS believe the Mahdi will come only when then the world is engulfed in chaos and carnage and have openly vowed to annihilate the America and Israel. One way to spew chaos is to use “blurring” language to label people, such as homophobe, sexist or racist. Deceptive language is how moral values are reclassified into hatred. Ideas that are moral and trustworthy become hateful. Marriage, manhood, military service, freedom of speech, the Bible, freedom and even the American flag all turn into symbols of oppression.

Violent protestors and billionaires work together …one is building the mayhem, the other is building the prison humanity will run to for shelter. Our enemies have one thing in common …America must be destroyed. Trump was never supposed to happen; therefore, all hell broke loose because he saw what was happening on the global stage. Trump is gone now so it is left up to the American people to realize what is happening to our nation and the challenges we face. Our future will depend upon how the American people value personal morals, justice and freedoms and be ready to fight for them. We are at a crossroad in history. I hope we choose the right path.

[QUOTE=TimE;580503]I’m not sure you are serious? At least I hope you are not.[/QUOTE]

Honestly I'm asking the same question of you all.

President Trump didn't "question the legitimacy of an election." He declared, with no qualification, the election was stolen. Over and over again. Dozens (hundreds) of statements proven, over and over again, to be false. One crazy theory gets shot down, they move on to the next, and people keep lapping it up.

Know how we know they were false? Look at the difference between what Trump claimed, and many Americans swallowed, and what his lawyers were actually willing to put forward in a court of law.

Know why what he claimed on Twitter and what his lawyers claimed in court differed so much? Because you can get disbarred or even thrown in jail for presenting baseless claims in court.

To believe the election was stolen is the worst of all Alex Jones-ish conspiracy theories. You have to believe that Republican officials, in Republican states, most of whom proven supporters of Trump, combined with Republican judges, many of whom were appointed by Trump and contributed to his campaigns, conspired to rig not only the election but the court cases, where 60 ELECTION FRAUD CLAIMS were laughed out of court. And please don't give me "they didn't even look at the evidence" BS - it's there online if you're willing to risk challenging your delusions.

I'm a Republican. Been conservative all my life. Didn't, couldn't, vote for Biden. But good Lord over half of my fellow GOP members have been taken in by this alternate reality and the damage to our nation is going to be long lasting.

[QUOTE=Bonefish;580504]President Trump’s claim of stolen election was noted in his speech at the Capital, and one could see and hear the frustration he has endured from the constant war with the “deep state” from even before he was elected president. Ninety nine percent of the demonstrators that day were peaceful. It was actually a small group of protestors that became disorderly and occupied the capital. The “far-left” media immediately labeled these protestors as “rebels” or “domestic terrorist.” Extremist on both sides of the political spectrum have sought to provoke violence, which cannot be tolerated. We as a nation are drowning in falsehoods. We need a moral awakening. Our world of addition, despair and moral confusion has taken its toll. In reality, America is the last firewall against global anarchy, and that is why it is so important that this nation holds fast to a civil way of life.

The most important goal of evil is chaos. Karl Marx realized people would never vote to give up their rights, and concluded that violent revolution was essential to setting his system in place. Iran and ISIS believe the Mahdi will come only when then the world is engulfed in chaos and carnage and have openly vowed to annihilate the America and Israel. One way to spew chaos is to use “blurring” language to label people, such as homophobe, sexist or racist. Deceptive language is how moral values are reclassified into hatred. Ideas that are moral and trustworthy become hateful. Marriage, manhood, military service, freedom of speech, the Bible, freedom and even the American flag all turn into symbols of oppression.

Violent protestors and billionaires work together …one is building the mayhem, the other is building the prison humanity will run to for shelter. Our enemies have one thing in common …America must be destroyed. Trump was never supposed to happen; therefore, all hell broke loose because he saw what was happening on the global stage. Trump is gone now so it is left up to the American people to realize what is happening to our nation and the challenges we face. Our future will depend upon how the American people value personal morals, justice and freedoms and be ready to fight for them. We are at a crossroad in history. I hope we choose the right path.[/QUOTE]

Bone, I appreciate a lot of what you say.

I agree that we're "drowning in a nation of falsehoods." On the left, that's seen in the absurd transgender movement, where self-identify overrules biology and science. On the right, it's seen in the millions of people whose political affiliations, or fear, enable them to believe a president who has never held any regard for truth whatsoever.

[QUOTE=jcb;580506]Honestly I'm asking the same question of you all.

President Trump didn't "question the legitimacy of an election." He declared, with no qualification, the election was stolen. Over and over again. Dozens (hundreds) of statements proven, over and over again, to be false. One crazy theory gets shot down, they move on to the next, and people keep lapping it up.

Know how we know they were false? Look at the difference between what Trump claimed, and many Americans swallowed, and what his lawyers were actually willing to put forward in a court of law.

Know why what he claimed on Twitter and what his lawyers claimed in court differed so much? Because you can get disbarred or even thrown in jail for presenting baseless claims in court.

To believe the election was stolen is the worst of all Alex Jones-ish conspiracy theories. You have to believe that Republican officials, in Republican states, most of whom proven supporters of Trump, combined with Republican judges, many of whom were appointed by Trump and contributed to his campaigns, conspired to rig not only the election but the court cases, where 60 ELECTION FRAUD CLAIMS were laughed out of court. And please don't give me "they didn't even look at the evidence" BS - it's there online if you're willing to risk challenging your delusions.

I'm a Republican. Been conservative all my life. Didn't, couldn't, vote for Biden. But good Lord over half of my fellow GOP members have been taken in by this alternate reality and the damage to our nation is going to be long lasting.[/QUOTE]

First your opinion is no more valid than President Trump’s. The difference is he actually has support for his with the several states that are ACTIVELY investigating the fraud. No one, republican, democrat, or independent, believes that 80 million people voted for current resident. No one.

It is clear that republican officials allowed unconstitutional voting methods,counts, and lack of oversight. That is without question. How could they look at evidence that they never allowed or ordered to be gathered? You are talking in a circle. You do understand the meaning of discovery? Maricopa county in Arizona still won’t allow machines to be audited, even after a court order! Is that alex jones conspiracist theory?

Finally, the ballot harvesting,fraud, clarity, and legality of mass vote by mail schemes were identified well before the election. Trump’s only mistake was not fighting the fraud before it happened. As far as him calling it “stolen”? I don’t blame him a bit and I’m in the majority whether they admit it or not.

[QUOTE=TimE;580509]First your opinion is no more valid than President Trump’s. The difference is he actually has support for his with the several states that are ACTIVELY investigating the fraud. No one, republican, democrat, or independent, believes that 80 million people voted for current resident. No one.[/QUOTE]

I presented facts, and drew a conclusion logically tethered to those facts. President Trump's "stolen election" claim is an opinion that (to put it mildly) has not been substantiated.

So in your world, going 0 for 60 in court is outweighed by the fact that some states are holding investigations. Okay.

[QUOTE=TimE;580509]No one, republican, democrat, or independent, believes that 80 million people voted for current resident. No one.[/QUOTE]

It this statement just for effect or hyperbole? Because the 80 million people who voted for Biden disagree with you.

[QUOTE=TimE;580509] It is clear that republican officials allowed unconstitutional voting methods,counts, and lack of oversight. That is without question. [/QUOTE]

What is without question is that not ONE allegation, if proven instead of thrown out of court, could have possibly overturned the election.

One thing the many cases laughed out of court had in common was references to what one (GOP) judge called "garden variety election squabbles." Ever since there have been elections, there have been disputes. What "stolen election" adherents lack is the critical thinking necessary to distinguish between election disputes, which happen every election, and widespread election fraud. Trump took full advantage of this gullibility.

Name ONE specific fact that would have justified "stolen election" claims. Just one.

[QUOTE=TimE;580509] How could they look at evidence that they never allowed or ordered to be gathered? You are talking in a circle. You do understand the meaning of discovery? Maricopa county in Arizona still won’t allow machines to be audited, even after a court order! Is that alex jones conspiracist theory?
[/QUOTE]

The huge advantage conspiracy theorists have is, when confronted with facts, all they need to do is fall back on "deep state" or "the system is rigged." This is a good example. Logical questions to ask if you want the truth about Arizona are: (1) Do the complainants have a right to do this by law? (2) Are there public interest reasons either for or against granting their request?

The reason the legislators' request to examine the machines was denied was because they were already tied up in court by other lawsuits from other GOP officials. Releasing the machines to someone else would mean they wouldn't be preserved intact. Pretty simple really. But that's what it takes, a willingness to look behind whatever is in Trump's tweets or in the headlines at OAN or Epoch Times and find out the real facts.

The last I read there was going to be some sort of investigation of the machines after all. Guess what they're going to find? Nothing. Just like the multiple other places where scary accusations of Dominion hacks have been shot to pieces and exposed as lies. Thing is, no one remembers the lies, they just move on to the next one.


[QUOTE=TimE;580509] Finally, the ballot harvesting,fraud, clarity, and legality of mass vote by mail schemes were identified well before the election. Trump’s only mistake was not fighting the fraud before it happened. As far as him calling it “stolen”? I don’t blame him a bit and I’m in the majority whether they admit it or not.[/QUOTE]

This election has been the most scrutinized in American history. If you're looking for ACTUAL patriots, it's the election officials across the country, both GOP and DEM, who worked to pull off the most contentious election in my lifetime during a global pandemic. And I while I disagree that the "stolen election" alternate reality people are in the majority, even if they were, it wouldn't be the first time the majority of people were dead wrong about something.

[QUOTE=Bonefish;580504]President Trump’s claim of stolen election was noted in his speech at the Capital, and one could see and hear the frustration he has endured from the constant war with the “deep state” from even before he was elected president. Ninety nine percent of the demonstrators that day were peaceful. It was actually a small group of protestors that became disorderly and occupied the capital. The “far-left” media immediately labeled these protestors as “rebels” or “domestic terrorist.” Extremist on both sides of the political spectrum have sought to provoke violence, which cannot be tolerated. We as a nation are drowning in falsehoods. We need a moral awakening. Our world of addition, despair and moral confusion has taken its toll. In reality, America is the last firewall against global anarchy, and that is why it is so important that this nation holds fast to a civil way of life.

The most important goal of evil is chaos. Karl Marx realized people would never vote to give up their rights, and concluded that violent revolution was essential to setting his system in place. Iran and ISIS believe the Mahdi will come only when then the world is engulfed in chaos and carnage and have openly vowed to annihilate the America and Israel. One way to spew chaos is to use “blurring” language to label people, such as homophobe, sexist or racist. Deceptive language is how moral values are reclassified into hatred. Ideas that are moral and trustworthy become hateful. Marriage, manhood, military service, freedom of speech, the Bible, freedom and even the American flag all turn into symbols of oppression.

Violent protestors and billionaires work together …one is building the mayhem, the other is building the prison humanity will run to for shelter. Our enemies have one thing in common …America must be destroyed. Trump was never supposed to happen; therefore, all hell broke loose because he saw what was happening on the global stage. Trump is gone now so it is left up to the American people to realize what is happening to our nation and the challenges we face. Our future will depend upon how the American people value personal morals, justice and freedoms and be ready to fight for them. We are at a crossroad in history. I hope we choose the right path.[/QUOTE]



99%. Bone you need to wake up and smell the roses. Does Fox even show any video of the insurrection? There were thousands who stormed the capitol building. Hundreds went inside and fought with the police and they were all Trump supporters.

Tell me why the democrats would protest an election where they won? If you think anyone in their right mind will believe your bs then you really are crazy. 99% of those already charge are trump supporters.

[QUOTE=jcb;580512]I presented facts, and drew a conclusion logically tethered to those facts. President Trump's "stolen election" claim is an opinion that (to put it mildly) has not been substantiated.

So in your world, going 0 for 60 in court is outweighed by the fact that some states are holding investigations. Okay.



It this statement just for effect or hyperbole? Because the 80 million people who voted for Biden disagree with you.



What is without question is that not ONE allegation, if proven instead of thrown out of court, could have possibly overturned the election.

One thing the many cases laughed out of court had in common was references to what one (GOP) judge called "garden variety election squabbles." Ever since there have been elections, there have been disputes. What "stolen election" adherents lack is the critical thinking necessary to distinguish between election disputes, which happen every election, and widespread election fraud. Trump took full advantage of this gullibility.

Name ONE specific fact that would have justified "stolen election" claims. Just one.



The huge advantage conspiracy theorists have is, when confronted with facts, all they need to do is fall back on "deep state" or "the system is rigged." This is a good example. Logical questions to ask if you want the truth about Arizona are: (1) Do the complainants have a right to do this by law? (2) Are there public interest reasons either for or against granting their request?

The reason the legislators' request to examine the machines was denied was because they were already tied up in court by other lawsuits from other GOP officials. Releasing the machines to someone else would mean they wouldn't be preserved intact. Pretty simple really. But that's what it takes, a willingness to look behind whatever is in Trump's tweets or in the headlines at OAN or Epoch Times and find out the real facts.

The last I read there was going to be some sort of investigation of the machines after all. Guess what they're going to find? Nothing. Just like the multiple other places where scary accusations of Dominion hacks have been shot to pieces and exposed as lies. Thing is, no one remembers the lies, they just move on to the next one.




This election has been the most scrutinized in American history. If you're looking for ACTUAL patriots, it's the election officials across the country, both GOP and DEM, who worked to pull off the most contentious election in my lifetime during a global pandemic. And I while I disagree that the "stolen election" alternate reality people are in the majority, even if they were, it wouldn't be the first time the majority of people were dead wrong about something.[/QUOTE]

If these voting machines were so bad then how come the elected State Senators and US Senators for the GOP. The very same voting machines were used in Georgia and they did three recounts with paper ballot receipts used to check the voting machine counts. No major discrepancies.

I can't believe we still have to discuss this.

[QUOTE=TimE;580509]First your opinion is no more valid than President Trump’s. The difference is he actually has support for his with the several states that are ACTIVELY investigating the fraud. No one, republican, democrat, or independent, believes that 80 million people voted for current resident. No one.

It is clear that republican officials allowed unconstitutional voting methods,counts, and lack of oversight. That is without question. How could they look at evidence that they never allowed or ordered to be gathered? You are talking in a circle. You do understand the meaning of discovery? Maricopa county in Arizona still won’t allow machines to be audited, even after a court order! Is that alex jones conspiracist theory?

Finally, the ballot harvesting,fraud, clarity, and legality of mass vote by mail schemes were identified well before the election. Trump’s only mistake was not fighting the fraud before it happened. As far as him calling it “stolen”? I don’t blame him a bit and I’m in the majority whether they admit it or not.[/QUOTE]

Hell people came out in droves to get rid of that idiot Trump. What I can't believe is that Trump conned 73 million people into voting for him. I didn't know that there were that many stupid people in American.

[QUOTE=jcb;580512]I presented facts, and drew a conclusion logically tethered to those facts. President Trump's "stolen election" claim is an opinion that (to put it mildly) has not been substantiated.

So in your world, going 0 for 60 in court is outweighed by the fact that some states are holding investigations. Okay.



It this statement just for effect or hyperbole? Because the 80 million people who voted for Biden disagree with you.



What is without question is that not ONE allegation, if proven instead of thrown out of court, could have possibly overturned the election.

One thing the many cases laughed out of court had in common was references to what one (GOP) judge called "garden variety election squabbles." Ever since there have been elections, there have been disputes. What "stolen election" adherents lack is the critical thinking necessary to distinguish between election disputes, which happen every election, and widespread election fraud. Trump took full advantage of this gullibility.

Name ONE specific fact that would have justified "stolen election" claims. Just one.



The huge advantage conspiracy theorists have is, when confronted with facts, all they need to do is fall back on "deep state" or "the system is rigged." This is a good example. Logical questions to ask if you want the truth about Arizona are: (1) Do the complainants have a right to do this by law? (2) Are there public interest reasons either for or against granting their request?

The reason the legislators' request to examine the machines was denied was because they were already tied up in court by other lawsuits from other GOP officials. Releasing the machines to someone else would mean they wouldn't be preserved intact. Pretty simple really. But that's what it takes, a willingness to look behind whatever is in Trump's tweets or in the headlines at OAN or Epoch Times and find out the real facts.

The last I read there was going to be some sort of investigation of the machines after all. Guess what they're going to find? Nothing. Just like the multiple other places where scary accusations of Dominion hacks have been shot to pieces and exposed as lies. Thing is, no one remembers the lies, they just move on to the next one.




This election has been the most scrutinized in American history. If you're looking for ACTUAL patriots, it's the election officials across the country, both GOP and DEM, who worked to pull off the most contentious election in my lifetime during a global pandemic. And I while I disagree that the "stolen election" alternate reality people are in the majority, even if they were, it wouldn't be the first time the majority of people were dead wrong about something.[/QUOTE]

Bravo!!!! This is perhaps the best post I've ever read on here. It's sad though that it's going to fall on deaf ears because there is no amount of facts that can pierce the information bubble that these folks live in.

The fact that they couldn't even separate your question that just asked "Hey Bone, could you give an example of "Questioning the legitimacy of an election has now been labeled terrorism?" from the actual act of the domestic terrorist that stormed the Capitol to try and stop the electoral certification. I guess chanting "hang Mike Pence" and looking to take members of congress as hostages or worse doesn't qualify as terrorism in their view. It really shows you exactly how hyperpartisan a segment from the right has become.

Again great post, that simply eviscerated every talking point he made.