Ashamed

Take a gander at "The Budapest Memorandum 1994".
Form your own opinions.
I won't even begin to claim I fully understand the details.
But if I correctly understand the intent of this agreement it goes something like this????
Dispose of all destructive nuclear weapons left behind by the dismantled soviet union and all efforts to further develop a nuclear weapons program. In turn "we" the USA, Germany other NATO countries as well as.....ready???...RUSSIA....YES RUSSIA!! will protect you from aggressors.
If it's this simple I feel ashamed, sickened and horrible for the people of Ukraine.
There have been so many of the "Ukraine is not a member of NATO so there's really nothing we can do" statements from forums to world governments to the water cooler ar work.
I beg to differ per the "Budapest Memorandum of 1994".
Please feel free to give insight and explain to me why my understanding of this is wrong.
I'm begging you....PLEASE TELL ME WE WEREN'T A MAJOR CONTRBUTOR TO FUCKING THESE PEOPLE!

i don't trust our government and i can see why nobody else does either.
like i said, clintons were the beginning of our downfall.

[QUOTE=stripernut1;583060]Take a gander at "The Budapest Memorandum 1994".
Form your own opinions.
I won't even begin to claim I fully understand the details.
But if I correctly understand the intent of this agreement it goes something like this????
Dispose of all destructive nuclear weapons left behind by the dismantled soviet union and all efforts to further develop a nuclear weapons program. In turn "we" the USA, Germany other NATO countries as well as.....ready???...RUSSIA....YES RUSSIA!! will protect you from aggressors.
If it's this simple I feel ashamed, sickened and horrible for the people of Ukraine.
There have been so many of the "Ukraine is not a member of NATO so there's really nothing we can do" statements from forums to world governments to the water cooler ar work.
I beg to differ per the "Budapest Memorandum of 1994".
Please feel free to give insight and explain to me why my understanding of this is wrong.
I'm begging you....PLEASE TELL ME WE WEREN'T A MAJOR CONTRBUTOR TO FUCKING THESE PEOPLE![/QUOTE]

Including our previous president, who withheld military aid from Ukraine in hopes of strong arming them to help bring down his political opponent.

That aid would’ve been pretty helpful right now.

[QUOTE=jcb;583062]Including our previous president, who withheld military aid from Ukraine in hopes of strong arming them to help bring down his political opponent.

That aid would’ve been pretty helpful right now.[/QUOTE]

Biden is sending more Stingers and Anti Tank weapons to Ukraine.

[QUOTE=Moveon;583069]Biden is sending more Stingers and Anti Tank weapons to Ukraine.[/QUOTE]

He ought deploy his “ Hunter- Briber” team

[QUOTE=ZoraSpook;583074]He ought deploy his “ Hunter- Briber” team[/QUOTE]

Keep trolling spoke boy.

[QUOTE=stripernut1;583060]Take a gander at "The Budapest Memorandum 1994".
Form your own opinions.
I won't even begin to claim I fully understand the details.
But if I correctly understand the intent of this agreement it goes something like this????
Dispose of all destructive nuclear weapons left behind by the dismantled soviet union and all efforts to further develop a nuclear weapons program. In turn "we" the USA, Germany other NATO countries as well as.....ready???...RUSSIA....YES RUSSIA!! will protect you from aggressors.
If it's this simple I feel ashamed, sickened and horrible for the people of Ukraine.
There have been so many of the "Ukraine is not a member of NATO so there's really nothing we can do" statements from forums to world governments to the water cooler ar work.
I beg to differ per the "Budapest Memorandum of 1994".
Please feel free to give insight and explain to me why my understanding of this is wrong.
I'm begging you....PLEASE TELL ME WE WEREN'T A MAJOR CONTRBUTOR TO FUCKING THESE PEOPLE![/QUOTE]

I agree with you. We are fiddling while Rome burns.

I think our response when Putin started massing should been have on the order of : if you talk we talk, if you go we’re in. I think failing to confront an aggressor is complicity

[QUOTE=ZoraSpook;583076]I agree with you. We are fiddling while Rome burns.

I think our response when Putin started massing should been have on the order of : if you talk we talk, if you go we’re in. I think failing to confront an aggressor is complicity[/QUOTE]

Putin needs to be taken out. Someone just needs to shoot him in the back of the head and turn Russia around. He is a pariah.

[QUOTE=Moveon;583082]Putin needs to be taken out. Someone just needs to shoot him in the back of the head and turn Russia around. He is a pariah.[/QUOTE]

An analyst I respect says there is now a less than zero chance of this. Says the Ukraine sanctions are going to hit him the only place it matters to him - in the pocketbooks of his and his surrogates.

[QUOTE=jcb;583062]Including our previous president, who withheld military aid from Ukraine in hopes of strong arming them to help bring down his political opponent.

That aid would’ve been pretty helpful right now.[/QUOTE]

Well that is a **** lie and easily proven false. That is why impeachment failed. You are either on the same level as the troll or I over estimated your intelligence.

[QUOTE=TimE;583092]Well that is a **** lie and easily proven false. That is why impeachment failed. You are either on the same level as the troll or I over estimated your intelligence.[/QUOTE]

Good for you if you think the way politicians vote is a good arbiter of truth.

Trump's own WH transcript showed how he asked Zelensky to investigate the Bidens (and the mythical/conspiracy theory "computer server"). His own GAO wrote a scathing report about how he had no right to hold up military funding for Ukraine duly appropriated by Congress for political reasons. When asked why he was holding up the funding, Trump forgot which lie he told, so he told several.

Welcome back! How's that effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election going you were so high on? Still strategically waiting for the right moment to release the Kraken?

[QUOTE=jcb;583093]Good for you if you think the way politicians vote is a good arbiter of truth.

Trump's own WH transcript showed how he asked Zelensky to investigate the Bidens (and the mythical/conspiracy theory "computer server"). His own GAO wrote a scathing report about how he had no right to hold up military funding for Ukraine duly appropriated by Congress for political reasons. When asked why he was holding up the funding, Trump forgot which lie he told, so he told several.

Welcome back! How's that effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election going you were so high on? Still strategically waiting for the right moment to release the Kraken?[/QUOTE]

I left because it was a waste of time debating people who believe everything the fake news and their paid pundits say. Everyone on this website can see the entire transcript of phone call and most remember the BS impeachment sham. Maybe some even remember Zelensky stating he had never heard the reason funds were held up, meaning it was not an ultimatum.

Maybe some on here remember the zero/slowjo administration canceling lethal funding to Ukraine, sending sheets and pillows instead.

Maybe some on here remembering Trump almost immediately reversing zero/slojo administration on lethal funding and authorizing the very sams and anti tank LETHAL weapons to Ukraine.The very weapons they are using to put up the resistance now.

Everyone should realize Trump held the funds due to other nations not holding up their end of funding but if not plenty of video of him saying just that to the head of EU and others. First and foremost calling out germany.

Also, most should remember slojo on video stating clearly he withheld funds from Ukraine unless they fired that prosecutor, “Well son of a bitch” that prosecutor got fired.


You can spew your fake news BS, spout your revisionist history, but know you WILL be called out. Like I said all this is easily verified including the entire phone call transcript. Pathetic failure on your part.