I think it’s time

1. Establish Russian no fly zone
2. Gives Ukraine chance to get its aircraft on the big convoy.
3. Us and NATO provides air security cap for Ukraine air to ground runs.
4. When Putin mentions nuc’d as a threat, tell him outright, “ put up or shut up and everyone you send will be matched”.
5. With no fly in place, get the transport planes in from all friendly countries with food and weapons.
6. Allies support, Ukraine fights.
7. Only negotiations needed are when USSR announces withdrawal, we suspend air attacks on his retreating units.

[QUOTE=ZoraSpook;583128]1. Establish Russian no fly zone
2. Gives Ukraine chance to get its aircraft on the big convoy.
3. Us and NATO provides air security cap for Ukraine air to ground runs.
4. When Putin mentions nuc’d as a threat, tell him outright, “ put up or shut up and everyone you send will be matched”.
5. With no fly in place, get the transport planes in from all friendly countries with food and weapons.
6. Allies support, Ukraine fights.
7. Only negotiations needed are when USSR announces withdrawal, we suspend air attacks on his retreating units.[/QUOTE]

I heard that Ukraine sent fighter jets to bomb the 40 mile long Russian column just outside of Kyiv. I was watching CNN when I heard this while I was reading this forum. That column of russian vehicles is a sitting duck and should be pounded into the ground. Sending Putin a message that he can't ignore.

And we should start a draft and build up our training of military. A war with nukes won't last long and we will need to prep before the bombs start falling. We should start building up our navy and build more ships and subs. We need to build more F22s Start up the production line if the FXX plane is not already to go.

We should build up our space defenses and be ready to take out Russia space assets and weapons.

Biden should get tough and to hell with NATO lines. If a bully starts to pick on a friend we should all come to that friends help immediately and kick the **** out of the bully. The one that that I hate about democrats is that they are too quick to run away from a fight. We need a tougher guy in the white house and Biden is too **** soft. We should never let a country on the line between the NATO countries and Russia be treated like this. We need to make Russia pay with force of arms.

Don't say that WWIII will start WWIII because WWIII has already started, and Putin was the one that fired first.

No no no and NO.

Instead of blasting the shixt out each other, we need a well organized hit to take Putin out of the picture permanently. Against the rules, but so is bombing Ukrainian civilians.

[QUOTE=Devils Horse;583158]No no no and NO.

Instead of blasting the shixt out each other, we need a well organized hit to take Putin out of the picture permanently. Against the rules, but so is bombing Ukrainian civilians.[/QUOTE]

Now if we can only get some dumb Russian to take Putin out. I read that a oligarch was willing to pay someone in the Russian Military to take out Putin for one million dollars.

Russia has about 80% of his armed forces on land deployed around Ukraine now. We should destroy that convoy on the outskirts of Kyiv. It's a sitting duck.

Putin has gone mad. He ordered his forced to attack a nuclear power plant in Ukraine and that will have disastrous consequences for years to come if that plant melts down.

[QUOTE=Moveon;583149]If a bully starts to pick on a friend we should all come to that friends help immediately and kick the **** out of the bully. [/QUOTE]

Yeah...so quit picking on me or I'm gonna tell Mom:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

[QUOTE=Moveon;583160]Russia has about 80% of his armed forces on land deployed around Ukraine now. We should destroy that convoy on the outskirts of Kyiv. It's a sitting duck.

Putin has gone mad. He ordered his forced to attack a nuclear power plant in Ukraine and that will have disastrous consequences for years to come if that plant melts down.[/QUOTE]

Putin isn't really crazy. He's evil and power-hungry. He is cold and calculating. He still thinks and acts like a KGB agent.

He's terrified he'll share the same fate as the Tsars. The photo below shows how someone threw red dye in front of "The Church of the Savior of Spilled Blood" in St. Petersburg, where the last of the Romanovs, Alexander II was assassinated. A clear message to Vlady.

As the world gets smaller through technology he fears the eventual democratization of Russia, which an expanding NATO hastens. He believes resource-rich Ukraine will become even more anti-Russia and sees it strengthening militarily.

For Putin, the costs of escalation are greater than the costs of inaction. He doesn't give a rip about his or Russia's standing in the global community.

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[QUOTE=Moveon;583159]Now if we can only get some dumb Russian to take Putin out. I read that a oligarch was willing to pay someone in the Russian Military to take out Putin for one million dollars.[/QUOTE]

I'll kick in a fiver.

[QUOTE=jcb;583164]Putin isn't really crazy. He's evil and power-hungry. He is cold and calculating. He still thinks and acts like a KGB agent.

He's terrified he'll share the same fate as the Tsars. The photo below shows how someone threw red dye in front of "The Church of the Savior of Spilled Blood" in St. Petersburg, where the last of the Romanovs, Alexander II was assassinated. A clear message to Vlady.

As the world gets smaller through technology he fears the eventual democratization of Russia, which an expanding NATO hastens. He believes resource-rich Ukraine will become even more anti-Russia and sees it strengthening militarily.

For Putin, the costs of escalation are greater than the costs of inaction. He doesn't give a rip about his or Russia's standing in the global community.

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Spending too much time inside Putin's head, you need to go fishing, dude.

[QUOTE=Devils Horse;583166]Spending too much time inside Putin's head, you need to go fishing, dude.[/QUOTE]

LOL okayyyyyyyyy

The world needs to stop Putin from shelling the cities of Ukraine and killing thousands of civilians. I don't care if it's Germany, France or England or anyone else. But someone.. anyone needs to take Putin out and stop this war.

WWIII IMHO has already started. WWII didn't start after Pearl Harbor. It started when Germany helped one Side in the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s and didn't end until Hitler shot himself in the head and died. And this war, what ever you call it, won't end until Putin is dead. I'll leave it to the military experts to figure out why Putin did what he did but we still need to kill Putin as he won't stop until he is dead and someone else takes the reigns in Russia and calls off the dog.

Putin is not going to stop at the border and will run into the NATO border like a rocket. Putin is weak now with all his unit's deployed and engaged in Ukraine. Biden told him that we won't go into Ukraine so Putin knows he has a free reign to do what he wants inside Ukraine.

Putin says a no fly would be an act of war. Why? Because he heard us in the West say we were afraid of a war.

Do what if we/ UN/ NATO proclaim the no fly, and note no harm comes to Russia if it obeys. No Russians get shot down if they obey. And then we state to Putin, it’s not an act of law to enforce international law.

So we do shoot down a Russian violator. We tell Putin he violated, me got punished. Putin yells “ This is an act of war”, and we collectively say back to him, “ No it was not, enforcement only, if you want to declare war, so be it. We aren’t at war, but will match any aggression in kind”.

Call Putin’s bluff, he’s slow in Ukraine and has not demonstrated any true threat to Us or Europe. He’s demonstrating his forces would be no match for the determined NATO.

I remember, it takes two to tango. Putin says he’s at war, and we answer” Tell me how that works out for you’