I HOPE we get boots on the Ground it Syria

[kygorski]

y late wifes grandson is in the service! He has had two tours in afganistan one in Iraq, and is now in northern japan. His tour will be over in japan at the end of the year. His father draws a small disability check from viet nam service. A lot of us are sick and tired of un-conclusive results, and paying damages like we lost those wars. ENOUGH.

[HURRICANEBOB]

Tell you what George, you send your daughter over there first and then the rest of us will see if we want our kids going over there. If you want boots on the ground, why don't you put your boots on the ground over there.

Well said and I agree, the one's with the least to lose are those most willing to let others have the most to lose. Besides, what really cracks me up are the folks who have never had a family member in harms way, or have never been in harms way themselves, that profess letting others do the dirty work for them while they sit all comfy at home.

[HURRICANEBOB]

I disagree. A series of air strikes on what? They've had plenty of notice and time to react. How much stuff that matters will still be where we think it is? How many civilians will be moved to facilities they know we'll hit? The world, Americans included will see the dead women and children, our press will make sure of it.

The idea of surgical strikes doesn't wash.

Dead middle eastern bad guys do little except inspire other middle eastern guys. Setting an example for those folks doesn't work, the bad guys have a truckload of virgins waiting for them in the 7th heaven...long as they kill infidels.

We constantly try to filter the middle east mindset through our value system and it simply doesn't apply. What's worse is we are encouraged by liberals to embrace and tolerate the Islamic/Muslim religion which is the at the very root of the problem.

I'd love to explain it to you, but you don't have a clearance.

[Devils Horse]

I'd love to explain it to you, but you don't have a clearance.

Too bad my classification is too low. I'd love to hear it and provide a low level uninformed peon's opinion.

May be a moot point. Considering it's unpopularity, I don't think Mr Obama has the spine to go through with it anyway.

Him running to congress for cover is a pretty good indicator that his politics come before his personal convictions or concern over chemical attacks on 'innocent' civilians.

Mr. Obama has attacked George Bush on everything from the economy to exactly what he himself wants to do right now. I wonder how the President feels about that.

[Devils Horse]

BTW, did I hear Mr. Obama was considering sending 'advisers' to the Syrian rebels?

Surely not, but if so maybe he should dig ole LBJ up and ask him how well that worked out.

He'd have to dig LBJ up and ask him, because if Mr. Obama were old enough to have lived in those days, he'd a been busy burning his draft card in between taking bong hits.

[kygorski]

Congress has not had a word in over 50 years, on declaration of war.WHY Nobahma is the first president to follow the constitution since FDR. How did this crap start? The break up of the Ottaman empire,our allies, the british and French ignored all common sense, and created countrys that had no historical reason to exist. We started the ball going down hill later with the UN making a country, Isreal.The cold war deepened our involvement, when we supported, armed and trained Iranian troops to be a buffer against the east block.In Iran we trained their secret police[savak] who tortured and executed almost at will, with the shahs blessing, and our keeping silent.We know what happened afterwards.Then we aided Iraq in a war they started, with Iran.Its reported that we might have aided with intelligence Saddams use of chemical agents against Iranian soldiers and civilians.So whats the lesson here? KEP OUR NOSES OUT OF OTHER FOLKS WARS!!!. Nobahma was against our Iraq war when he was a senator.A lot of you guys wrap yourselfs around the constitution, theres a lot more to it than the second amendment.

[GeoFisher]

Congress has not had a word in over 50 years, on declaration of war.WHY Nobahma is the first president to follow the constitution since FDR. How did this crap start? The break up of the Ottaman empire,our allies, the british and French ignored all common sense, and created countrys that had no historical reason to exist. We started the ball going down hill later with the UN making a country, Isreal.The cold war deepened our involvement, when we supported, armed and trained Iranian troops to be a buffer against the east block.In Iran we trained their secret police[savak] who tortured and executed almost at will, with the shahs blessing, and our keeping silent.We know what happened afterwards.Then we aided Iraq in a war they started, with Iran.Its reported that we might have aided with intelligence Saddams use of chemical agents against Iranian soldiers and civilians.So whats the lesson here? KEP OUR NOSES OUT OF OTHER FOLKS WARS!!!. Nobahma was against our Iraq war when he was a senator.A lot of you guys wrap yourselfs around the constitution, theres a lot more to it than the second amendment.

DUDE......you seriously need a history lesson.



"
The anti-U.N. stance stands in sharp contrast to the policy maintained by President George H. Bush, who sought and won U.N. and congressional approval prior to removing Iraqi forces from Kuwait in 1991.

Similarly, President George W. Bush sought and won a favorable U.N. resolution against Iraq in 2002, titled U.N. Security Resolution 1441. Bush said that resolution endorsed action against Iraq’s government for not fully disarming itself of chemical weapons following the 1991 war.

George W. Bush also got congressional approval prior to forcefully removing Iraq’s dictatorial government in 2003.

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Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2 all went to congress and GOT approval for action.

AND if you REALLY want to split hairs, Clinton didn't get approval the first time in Kosovo, and BOMBED the hell out of the Serbs anyways. He eventually won approval, but that was only after a second and third vote.

Later,

Geo

[kygorski]

I know my history! Are you saying that the UN makes the rules that govern the US? You know my feelings about that organization, In many cases its anti American.. Has the UN ever paid us back for the costs of these " humanitarian" wars weve been in?

[Devils Horse]

Congress has not had a word in over 50 years, on declaration of war.WHY Nobahma is the first president to follow the constitution since FDR. How did this crap start? The break up of the Ottaman empire,our allies, the british and French ignored all common sense, and created countrys that had no historical reason to exist. We started the ball going down hill later with the UN making a country, Isreal.The cold war deepened our involvement, when we supported, armed and trained Iranian troops to be a buffer against the east block.In Iran we trained their secret police[savak] who tortured and executed almost at will, with the shahs blessing, and our keeping silent.We know what happened afterwards.Then we aided Iraq in a war they started, with Iran.Its reported that we might have aided with intelligence Saddams use of chemical agents against Iranian soldiers and civilians.So whats the lesson here? KEP OUR NOSES OUT OF OTHER FOLKS WARS!!!. Nobahma was against our Iraq war when he was a senator.A lot of you guys wrap yourselfs around the constitution, theres a lot more to it than the second amendment.

I'm curious. Did this all come straight out of your head, or did you surf it up?

There appear to be some compelling traces of truth about the middle east in there, but it's too jumbled for me to process.

Pretty interesting post, but you derailed it with the first 2 sentences. I assume you meant congress has not formally declared war in over 50 years.

I'm guilty of dismissing some of your stuff out of hand because it's too hard for me to understand, but this time your post got me thinking. Use some paragraphs and separate your thoughts a little. Not criticizing, just suggesting.

[Moveon]

I'm curious. Did this all come straight out of your head, or did you surf it up?

There appear to be some compelling traces of truth about the middle east in there, but it's too jumbled for me to process.

Pretty interesting post, but you derailed it with the first 2 sentences. I assume you meant congress has not formally declared war in over 50 years.

I'm guilty of dismissing some of your stuff out of hand because it's too hard for me to understand, but this time your post got me thinking. Use some paragraphs and separate your thoughts a little. Not criticizing, just suggesting.

I too like the content of the post. The UN and the Brits did create these middle east countries after the World Wars. They didn't take into consideration the ethnicity or people when they created these artificial boarders.

Didn't the entire middle east come out of the Ottoman Empire or the Persian Empire?

[kygorski]

Grammer and syntax are not my strong suits. But being a liberal,or a pessemistI like to hear many sides of a discussion.One view fits all, isn't right.

[kygorski]

I;m a skeptic. And when it comes to history, I always remember the quote that the victors write it.After awhile the dissenters begin to be heard. Some where in between is the truth.