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    KY Pipeline.

    http://www.nobluegrasspipeline.com/



    Has everybody looked into this? I frown on it. These companies ruin the environment, make huge profits and the rest of us pay.

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    Here’s what he said about the oil sands:
    “The fact is, Fort McMurray looks like Hiroshima. Fort McMurray is a wasteland. The Indians up there and the native peoples are dying. The fuels all over – the fumes everywhere – you can smell it when you get to town. The closest place to Fort McMurray that is doing the tar sands work is 25 or 30 miles out of town and you can taste it when you get to Fort McMurray. People are sick. People are dying of cancer because of this. All the First Nations people up there are threatened by this.”

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    I don't see any problems with the proposal for the pipeline. If you're taking your science facts and opinions from Neil Young then that tells me all I need to know about your own credibility. This is a fishing board and tellingly you are doing just that, fishing or better yet...trolling. There is nothing wrong with burying a a gas line in the bluegrass. there are hundreds of miles of existing gas lines in the Commonwealth, the addition of these newer lines does not pose any noticeable environmental problems. Of course Benzene is a product of natural gas, it's also in the gasoline you no doubt burn everyday along with Toluene, Naphthalene, trimethylbenzene, and the list goes on of hydrocarbons. The fact is, this is a very minor gas line project that could have major economic benefits with little to no impact on the environment.

    interestingly, your quote from the very "credible" rocker Neil Young was countered by the Mayor of Fort McMurray(Wood Buffalo): Melissa Blake, the mayor of the Regional Municipality of Wood Buffalo, said she takes no issue with people who have environmental interests, but Mr. Young’s comments are “blatantly false” and she wished there was “more rationality” to his statements.

    "When people say it's a wasteland, it really and truly isn't," Ms. Blake said. "When it comes to the community of Fort McMurray, you're overwhelmed frankly by the beauty of it. You've got an incredible boreal environment that's all around you.

    Furthermore Ft. McMurray is in Canada, and why a tar sands mining operation in Canada is supposed to have an effect on a proposed transportation pipeline in Ky is beyond me.

    I'm sure this entire post will be moved, as it should. So please Nanna, that's appropriate (Nanny State), keep your "trolling" to the lake, and keep the political posts off the fishing board.

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    This is about fishing, this ruins water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanna View Post
    This is about fishing, this ruins water.
    Move it to the Off Topic Board..........plenty of folks will be glad to argue with you there

    Including me .

    Later,

    Geo

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    Guys ... you are only furthering the discussion by replying to the post. See that little yellow triangle at the bottom of your posts --- that's the "REPORT A POST" button. Report the post as spam, trolling, political, off topic, or whatever ... and the powers that be (Moderators) will move/edit/delete the thread, as they see fit. just saying ....

    ... pappy

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagikSmallie View Post
    the addition of these newer lines does not pose any noticeable environmental problems.
    Just ones that aren't noticeable?

    This is from the anti-pipeline website. Would you call these noticeable environmental problems?

    August 2013 - A 10-inch NGL pipeline operated by Enterprise Products exploded in Erie, IL, and residents in a 1 mile radius were evacuated. The flame persisted overnight until the liquids between shut-off valves had burned away.


    August 2013 - A Markwest NGL pipeline leaked in Wetzel County, WV due to a landslide, killing minnows, smallmouth bass and other species of fish in Rocky Run, a tributary of Fish Creek. The West Virginia Department of Environment Protection cited Markwest for "conditions not allowable in the waters in the state."


    December 2012 - December 2012, a natural gas liquids leakbegan at a facility in Parachute, Colorado operated by William's subsidiary Bargath, and went unnoticed for 14 days. William's spokesman Tom Droege was quoted saying, "it's actually a good thing they found it.” An estimated 10,000 gallons of hydrocarbons reached soil and groundwater. According to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, complete remediation of residual contamination in the soil or aquifer material may take many years. Six months after the spill, benzene levels in Parachute Creek doubled the federal standard limit for drinking water.


    August 2011 - An Enterprise Products Partners pipeline carrying natural gas liquid leaked approximately 140,000 gallons of natural gasoline (an NGL) into an Iowa section of the Missouri River.​



    November 2004 - A 4-inch diameter NGL pipeline leased and operated by Markwest exploded in a housing division in Ivel, Kentucky. A State Trooper was severely burned while rescuing a 3-year old girl, and 8 others were injured. The neighborhood was evacuated and five homes were destroyed. The pipeline, which was 65 miles long, had 13 previous leaks. An insurance claim dispute related to the incident ended up in the U.S. Court of Appeals, 10th district.



    Quote Originally Posted by MagikSmallie View Post
    The fact is, this is a very minor gas line project that could have major economic benefits with little to no impact on the environment.
    I live in Franklin County. What are the major economic benefits we'll receive if the pipeline comes through?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcb View Post
    Just ones that aren't noticeable?

    This is from the anti-pipeline website. Would you call these noticeable environmental problems?

    August 2013 - A 10-inch NGL pipeline operated by Enterprise Products exploded in Erie, IL, and residents in a 1 mile radius were evacuated. The flame persisted overnight until the liquids between shut-off valves had burned away.


    August 2013 - A Markwest NGL pipeline leaked in Wetzel County, WV due to a landslide, killing minnows, smallmouth bass and other species of fish in Rocky Run, a tributary of Fish Creek. The West Virginia Department of Environment Protection cited Markwest for "conditions not allowable in the waters in the state."


    December 2012 - December 2012, a natural gas liquids leakbegan at a facility in Parachute, Colorado operated by William's subsidiary Bargath, and went unnoticed for 14 days. William's spokesman Tom Droege was quoted saying, "it's actually a good thing they found it.” An estimated 10,000 gallons of hydrocarbons reached soil and groundwater. According to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, complete remediation of residual contamination in the soil or aquifer material may take many years. Six months after the spill, benzene levels in Parachute Creek doubled the federal standard limit for drinking water.


    August 2011 - An Enterprise Products Partners pipeline carrying natural gas liquid leaked approximately 140,000 gallons of natural gasoline (an NGL) into an Iowa section of the Missouri River.​



    November 2004 - A 4-inch diameter NGL pipeline leased and operated by Markwest exploded in a housing division in Ivel, Kentucky. A State Trooper was severely burned while rescuing a 3-year old girl, and 8 others were injured. The neighborhood was evacuated and five homes were destroyed. The pipeline, which was 65 miles long, had 13 previous leaks. An insurance claim dispute related to the incident ended up in the U.S. Court of Appeals, 10th district.





    I live in Franklin County. What are the major economic benefits we'll receive if the pipeline comes through?
    LMAO! Five examples. Do you **** in an outhouse? Draw your water from a wellhouse? Does your yard flood every rain? Of course not,jcb has indoor plumbing and a nice graded yard. Gas pipelines are the most regulated in the industry. Water,sanitary,and storm sewers not so much. The pipeline is coming through and a chain of butterfly watchers aint gonna stop it

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    [QUOTE=jcb;521066]Just ones that aren't noticeable?

    This is from the anti-pipeline website. Would you call these noticeable environmental problems?

    August 2013 - A 10-inch NGL pipeline operated by Enterprise Products exploded in Erie, IL, and residents in a 1 mile radius were evacuated. The flame persisted overnight until the liquids between shut-off valves had burned away.


    August 2013 - A Markwest NGL pipeline leaked in Wetzel County, WV due to a landslide, killing minnows, smallmouth bass and other species of fish in Rocky Run, a tributary of Fish Creek. The West Virginia Department of Environment Protection cited Markwest for "conditions not allowable in the waters in the state."


    December 2012 - December 2012, a natural gas liquids leakbegan at a facility in Parachute, Colorado operated by William's subsidiary Bargath, and went unnoticed for 14 days. William's spokesman Tom Droege was quoted saying, "it's actually a good thing they found it.” An estimated 10,000 gallons of hydrocarbons reached soil and groundwater. According to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, complete remediation of residual contamination in the soil or aquifer material may take many years. Six months after the spill, benzene levels in Parachute Creek doubled the federal standard limit for drinking water.


    August 2011 - An Enterprise Products Partners pipeline carrying natural gas liquid leaked approximately 140,000 gallons of natural gasoline (an NGL) into an Iowa section of the Missouri River.​



    November 2004 - A 4-inch diameter NGL pipeline leased and operated by Markwest exploded in a housing division in Ivel, Kentucky. A State Trooper was severely burned while rescuing a 3-year old girl, and 8 others were injured. The neighborhood was evacuated and five homes were destroyed. The pipeline, which was 65 miles long, had 13 previous leaks. An insurance claim dispute related to the incident ended up in the U.S. Court of Appeals, 10th district.





    I live in Franklin County. What are the major economic benefits we'll receive if the pipeline comes through?[/QUOTE]


    None, it will create some temproary jobs but then they disapear. Any tax benefit is negligible, all this natural gas liquids will be piped to the gulf and then exported to China. There is no benefit to Kentucky and this company has a pretty bad safety record. Property values will go down anywhere this pipeline runs.

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    None, it will create some temproary jobs but then they disapear. Any tax benefit is negligible, all this natural gas liquids will be piped to the gulf and then exported to China. There is no benefit to Kentucky and this company has a pretty bad safety record. Property values will go down anywhere this pipeline runs.

    There should be some type of tax or royalty that Kentucky would receive based on how much volume is pumped through the state with part of that money then being distributed to the local counties impacted by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimE View Post
    LMAO! Five examples. Do you **** in an outhouse? Draw your water from a wellhouse? Does your yard flood every rain? Of course not,jcb has indoor plumbing and a nice graded yard. Gas pipelines are the most regulated in the industry. Water,sanitary,and storm sewers not so much. The pipeline is coming through and a chain of butterfly watchers aint gonna stop it
    I'm no scientist, but I think even I can figure out why gas pipelines might be more heavily regulated than water, sanitary or storm sewers.

    And on your prediction, if we weren't online and were in person, we'd have a nice friendly wager on that by this time.

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    Politicians Who Like Butterfly Watching

    Tim_E,

    What think ye about this list of public officials who've come out against the pipeline?

    County/city governments: Pendleton, Scott, Woodford, Franklin, Marion, Shelby, Nelson, Owen, Anderson, and Washington Counties, and the City of Springfield have passed formal resolutions against the pipeline.

    Politicians: Senator Jimmy Higdon, and the co-sponsors of the proposed Bluegrass Pipeline resolution, Senators Julian Carroll, (Anderson, Fayette, Woodford, Franklin Co), Tom Buford (Boyle, Fayette, Garrard, Jessamine Cos), Perry Clark (Jefferson Co), Paul Hornback (Bullitt, Shelby, Spencer Cos), John Schickel (Boone, Gallatin, Kenton Cos) Robin Webb (Bracken, Carter, Greenup, Lewis, Mason, Robertson Co), Carroll Gibson (Breckinridge, Grayson, Hancock, Hart, Larue, Meade Dennis Parrett ( Hardin, Jefferson Co), the Kentucky State Senate, Representative James Kay, former Governor Brereton Jones.

    Still think "the pipeline is coming through and a chain of butterfly watchers aint gonna stop it"?

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