New Ford F250 "rebate"..........

[MrSplitshot]

A ton of competition, commission-based salespeople, and one of the most expensive purchases most people make in their lifetime other than their home...a recipe for corruption.

Add in that most consumers have been traditionally completely uninformed and it just feeds the machine.

The last three vehicles I've bought, I did not need the salesperson at all. I researched online for weeks, dealt through email, etc. I traded a Mustang to my current F150 that I located at a dealership in Indiana...did every last bit of the back and forth through email. When everything was done, I drove to Indianapolis...all paperwork was ready to be signed with the F&I guy when I got there, because I was very specific that it had to be and that all they had was an hour of my time. They looked at my car to make sure it was what I said it was, I did the same with their truck, I signed, and we were done. Best experience ever for me, because I was very informed and specific about how things were going to go if they wanted my deal.

It was never really about price. I expect them to make money and know, through doing homework, what's fair and what's not.

The Car Max model is working for a reason. People like me do not want to play the silly game anymore.

Sorry to anyone here that's a car salesperson, because I know you're just trying to pay your bills, but I bypass you completely whenever I can. I don't want to talk to you. Chances are very good that I know more about the product you are trying to sell me than you do, because I've done my homework long before setting foot in your dealership. If I'm there, it's because I've already decided...I just need a paperwork facilitator.

[zx150]

That is no way to business and I would be mad as &^%$ too.

[HURRICANEBOB]

Sorry to anyone here that's a car salesperson, because I know you're just trying to pay your bills, but I bypass you completely whenever I can. I don't want to talk to you. Chances are very good that I know more about the product you are trying to sell me than you do, because I've done my homework long before setting foot in your dealership. If I'm there, it's because I've already decided...I just need a paperwork facilitator.

Sir, I'd welcome you at our dealership anytime. What a great way to take all the pressure off! I love being a paperwork facilitator for an informed buyer, a key chaser, and the guy that gets a car scheduled for clean up, temp tag on, and a full tank of gas in a new car, truck, or Suv.

Doesn't hurt my feelings a bit, because I buy cars too, and I absolutely agree the industry gets a bad rap because of the antics at some dealerships.

So if you had to rank professions, which would you trust most:
- Lawyers
- Politicians
- Insurance Agents
- Commissioned car salesman
- Commissioned real estate agents
- Salaried car key chasers/paperwork facilitators.

[18RangerZ520L]

Yep, I was the same, did all the legwork myself finding the truck. I don't mind giving someone some "profit", but to lie to me to get more $$ just isn't the way to go about it, straight up wrong. I won't be going back to Bill Collins ever, and you better believe my experience will get around by word of mouth and on forums like this....

A ton of competition, commission-based salespeople, and one of the most expensive purchases most people make in their lifetime other than their home...a recipe for corruption.

Add in that most consumers have been traditionally completely uninformed and it just feeds the machine.

The last three vehicles I've bought, I did not need the salesperson at all. I researched online for weeks, dealt through email, etc. I traded a Mustang to my current F150 that I located at a dealership in Indiana...did every last bit of the back and forth through email. When everything was done, I drove to Indianapolis...all paperwork was ready to be signed with the F&I guy when I got there, because I was very specific that it had to be and that all they had was an hour of my time. They looked at my car to make sure it was what I said it was, I did the same with their truck, I signed, and we were done. Best experience ever for me, because I was very informed and specific about how things were going to go if they wanted my deal.

It was never really about price. I expect them to make money and know, through doing homework, what's fair and what's not.

The Car Max model is working for a reason. People like me do not want to play the silly game anymore.

Sorry to anyone here that's a car salesperson, because I know you're just trying to pay your bills, but I bypass you completely whenever I can. I don't want to talk to you. Chances are very good that I know more about the product you are trying to sell me than you do, because I've done my homework long before setting foot in your dealership. If I'm there, it's because I've already decided...I just need a paperwork facilitator.