Quote Originally Posted by DJD View Post
Amen to that! I will say this...when I hire someone or give my blessing to hire them it's because I see someone who will work hard not someone who has a degree. Of course our field doesn't require the degree but does require field smarts and the ability to take instructions and get the job done. Sometimes these guys go to Manufacture schools that we pay for at $5000 a pop and they better pass or we lock them in a room and show clips of Nancy Pelosi and Obama speaking for hours...turrible punishment!

Seriously, I don't knock college edumacated folks. More power to them it's just not for everyone.
I'm edjumacated as a music professional. Majored in Music Performance. It SURE helped me in my employment

On the flipside, I know many folks educated in Information Technology that are HORRIBLE. Simply HORRIBLE. In our industry we've seen a ton of outsourcing to India. Quite a few folks from India then come to this country and directly compete for jobs in the industry. These jobs are the same paying jobs that folks here have. They make the same dollar, so hiring an Indian contractor on shore sometimes is actually more expensive than a local person. Guess what.........lots and lots of onshore Indian contractors are used because they simply are BETTER with the technology.

Now I'm not saying best, because there are barriers that make it very cumbersome to effectively manage onshore and offshore foreign contractors. That being said, when you find foreign folks that have overcame those barriers, they are simply the best of the best. VERY TECHNICAL and VERY CAPABLE of performing the job at an extremely high level.

Our best IT schools are their average schools. I have Indian developers that I work with that went through India PolyTech Institute. That school gets hundreds of thousands of applicants every year. Only the top 1 percent get in, and it is extremely competitive. That 1 percent is technically better than most every ONSHORE developer. When that on percent overcomes barriers that increase the complexities involved with working in America, they are extremely good........oh and they have CRAZY GOOD work ethic.....something we could learn a thing or two from.

Later,

Geo