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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    Mr. Legal vs. Mr. Illegal

    You have two families: “Mr. Legal” and “Mr. Illegal” . Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.

    Mr. Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

    Mr. Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table.”

    Ready? Now pay attention…

    Mr. Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Mr. Legal now has $31,231.00.

    Mr. Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Mr. Illegal pays no taxes. Mr. Illegal now has $31,200.00.

    Mr. Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Mr. Legal now has $24,031.00.

    Mr. Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Mr. Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Mr. Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Mr. Legal now has $18,031.00.

    Mr. Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Mr. Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Mr. Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Mr. Legal now has 9,631 .00.

    Mr. Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal Rent Subsidy. Mr. Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Mr. Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

    Mr. Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Mr. Legal now has $7,231.00.

    Mr. Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.

    Mr. Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc..

    Mr. Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

    Mr. Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

    Mr. Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family and friends.

    Mr. Legal’s and Mr. Illegal’s children both attend the same elementary school. Mr. Legal pays for his children’s lunches, while Mr. Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Mr. Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Mr. Legal’s children go home.

    Now, when they reach college age, Mr Legal’s kids may not get into a State School and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Mr Legal has been paying for State Schools through his taxes, while Mr. Illegal’s kids “go to the head of the class” because they are a minority.

    Mr. Legal and Mr. Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Mr Legal paid for them and Mr. Illegal did not pay.

    Do you get it, now?

    Illegal Immigration, no matter HOW you look at it, is BAD for America. Any politician that supports ANY expansion of this ILLEGAL network of workers, needs to go............PERIOD.

    Later,

    Geo
    Reading this example makes me wish I WASN'T LEGAL. My gosh, we get screwed at every turn by our corrupt, inept, red-tape bureaucracy of a self-serving government.

    But my solution to the immigration issue is to throw the doors open wide and let anyone who wants to come live and work in the USA do so with very little red-tape or hassle. Let them sign a document or something and prove their identity and then let them stay here. In other words, make the path to Legal Immigration have as little resistance as possible.

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    my point!

    DJ NO the examples I gave were deliberate signs of NO interference. The police wont enforce the laws. employers wont use the laws, BUT they are laws, passed by congress.All these folks are breaking the law, by avoiding it, or ignoring it.If no one would illegaly hire them, they wouldn't be here. What part of that can't you understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kygorski View Post
    DJ NO the examples I gave were deliberate signs of NO interference. The police wont enforce the laws. employers wont use the laws, BUT they are laws, passed by congress.All these folks are breaking the law, by avoiding it, or ignoring it.If no one would illegaly hire them, they wouldn't be here. What part of that can't you understand?
    Got it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by know1 View Post
    Reading this example makes me wish I WASN'T LEGAL. My gosh, we get screwed at every turn by our corrupt, inept, red-tape bureaucracy of a self-serving government.

    But my solution to the immigration issue is to throw the doors open wide and let anyone who wants to come live and work in the USA do so with very little red-tape or hassle. Let them sign a document or something and prove their identity and then let them stay here. In other words, make the path to Legal Immigration have as little resistance as possible.
    If Illegals were somehow "managed", meaning they were forced to work legally, forced to stay off national health care, and forced to not take subsidies, I'd not have ANY ISSUES with an illegal being here.

    My issue, and the point of my post is that legal versus illegal is not even close to being the same when you look at the dollars made/spent. Using that data I'm surprised that ANYONE would want to be legal. It doesn't pay.

    Later,

    Geo

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